loyalist victim mentality: bizarre new twist

[Idris2002]

1. Re: Ervine. Someone I used to know did her anthropology Phd on loyalism. She once heard David Ervine speak to a crowd of senior UVF/UDA types. He was giving it the old 'brothers violence is not the answer' thing. . . and they were going 'we'll be the judge of that wee man'.

2. FAO Nigel Irritable: I'm not so humourless as to think you were serious about prod genocide in Leitrim. But I can see why you might think so.

3. It's difficult to wear a monkey suit outside Queen's when you're actually living in St. Petersburg. (or Leningrad, as Ern would have been quick to remind me).

 

[Idris2002]

The idea that the PUP are progressive is something you hear from a lot of British lefties with no idea about what they're like on the ground. I could drag up all their far right/military links if we hadn't all heard it a million times before. What is worse is the complete absence of leadership from those who have set themselves up as representative of the loyalist working class towards recognising reality. Hence the w/c either turn, for want of any better analysis, to Paisley, or take part in some utterly nihilitic violence.

Ervine is personally sincere. But the PUP as a whole is just yet another also-ran. In the end, Paisley maintained his electoral grip on the communities the PUP was hoping to mobilise, which meant there was no electoral niche for paramilitary loyalism to move into.

 

[Dilzybhoy]

Being a non-unionist, I find the fella to be quite palliatable...I quite like him.

I'm sure I've made that assertion before as well good sir.

 

[hibee]

Ervine is personally sincere. But the PUP as a whole is just yet another also-ran. In the end, Paisley maintained his electoral grip on the communities the PUP was hoping to mobilise, which meant there was no electoral niche for paramilitary loyalism to move into.

I'd be daft to deny there's a difference between the likes of Ervine or the late John McMichael, for all their flaws, and, say, Johnny Adair. But ultimately working class loyalism has rejected them. If you can't present a more attractive alternative than "Dr" Paisley and his anti-line dancing party (the one bit of the DUP programme with which I agree) you are truly fucked.

 

[cathal marcs]

For all I dislike Ervine he has to be better than some pre enlightenment dinosaur like Paisley.

 

[Idris2002]

But his chance, if he ever had one, came and went a long long time ago.

For the foreseeable future it's going to be the dinosaur, or dinosaur jr.

 

[Oxpecker]

loyalists in Belfast appear to have invented an entire historical episode about the flight of 2000 loyalist families to Liverpool in the early 1970s.

There's no evidence of this happening, but that hasn't stopped them painting a mural about it.

Well this lot were in London on Saturday walking around in circles -



- maybe they're still looking for the lost 2,000?

 

[Idris2002]

The lost tribes of Ulster!

I've heard of British Israelism, but this is taking the piss. . . .

 

[cathal marcs]

dinosaur jr.

PMSL

 

[Dilzybhoy]

aye, Ulster Scots has been around for years, but it is only recently it has been used towards political ends.

The irony of Ulster Scots has been long spoken in the Glens of Antrim, by prod and catholic alike, now of course they want to remove it from its organic existance, freeze it in history and market it. Bit like nationalists have been doing with gaelic for over a century.

I'm with you on the Ulster Scots thing. Don't know what you mean about Gaelic tho.
Here's my view on scots from a thread from ages ago.
I was in the "Slemish" in Ballymena and this fella's rant on "ulster scots" was something to behold.

 

[DaveCinzano]

A Tintin book (unsurprisingly the Scotland-set The Black Island) has for the first time been translated into Scots - as The Derk Isle - this past month.

http://tintinscots.com/

Also, the forthcoming non-Uderzo/non-Goscinny Astérix album (again, unsurprisingly set in Scotland) is getting both Scots and Gaelic editions.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/arts/news/asterix-comic-published-in-gaelic-and-scots-1-3157523

Anyway, anyone remember the threads where someone was describing how they/their friends used to score off the Adair gang? Try as I might, can't find it.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I will get the Asterix book in Scots that sounds brilliant

 

[Superdupastupor]

I will get the Asterix book in Scots that sounds brilliant

'here right Getafix sort us sum ov yer mad brew gadgie'

 

[ViolentPanda]

I will get the Asterix book in Scots that sounds brilliant

I've got the same Tintin book in German -Die Schwarze Insel - but I always end up getting narked by the fact that the main characters are not called Tintin and Snowy, but "Tim" und "Struppi">

 

[DaveCinzano]

I've got the same Tintin book in German -Die Schwarze Insel - but I always end up getting narked by the fact that the main characters are not called Tintin and Snowy, but "Tim" und "Struppi">

You need to milou out, Grandad.

 

[DaveCinzano]

Must..stop..trolling..own..bump..

Anyway, DOES ANYONE REMEMBER DETAILS OF THE THREAD WITH THE SCORING-FROM-JANNY STUFF ON IT?

kthxbai

 

[ViolentPanda]

You need to milou out, Grandad.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

You need to milou out, Grandad.

I've Haddock enough of these puns calculused to derail the thread you Wagg

 

[DaveCinzano]

I've Haddock enough of these puns calculused to derail the thread you Wagg

Jolyon, chief

 

[LiamO]

Here's the latest 'victimhood' mural... a masked UVF assassin and (I kid you not) a quote from Martin Luther King...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...nister-shadow-over-east-belfast-29598197.html

 

[8den]

I particularly liked that Loyalist mural in honour of one of their paramilitary groups featuring a man wearing a hockey mask. What kind of moron thinks that portraying your fearless heroes as horror movie serial killers is going to make your political outlook more attractive?

Lets be fair here, have some seen some of the UDF thugs? A hockey mask is what their wives make them wear to bed.

 

[toggle]

Here's the latest 'victimhood' mural... a masked UVF assassin and (I kid you not) a quote from Martin Luther King...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/n...nister-shadow-over-east-belfast-29598197.html

oh for fuck sakes.

every fucking time you think that is the limit on how much they can become a parody of themselves, they manage more.

 

[DaveCinzano]

edit: wow, that was my most incohernet rant yet on here. Fair play to any one that extracts a point from it.

With inflation the pot now stands at 1,000,000 points.

 

[LiamO]

oh for fuck sakes.

every fucking time you think that is the limit on how much they can become a parody of themselves, they manage more.

Loyalists... the gift that never stops giving

 

[Athos]

"I have a dream... of being up to my knees in fenian blood."

 

[Sue]

A Tintin book (unsurprisingly the Scotland-set The Black Island) has for the first time been translated into Scots - as The Derk Isle - this past month.

http://tintinscots.com/

Also, the forthcoming non-Uderzo/non-Goscinny Astérix album (again, unsurprisingly set in Scotland) is getting both Scots and Gaelic editions.

http://www.scotsman.com/lifestyle/arts/news/asterix-comic-published-in-gaelic-and-scots-1-3157523

Magic potion has become Buckie in the Scots edition. Or so I hear anyway.

 

[Casually Red]

um, that's true isn't it?

no, its a complete lie. It was actually eoghan harris who invented it .

 

[Gingerman]

oh for fuck sakes.

every fucking time you think that is the limit on how much they can become a parody of themselves, they manage more.

And they wonder why they have an image problem

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

And they wonder why they have an image problem

To be fair I'm not sure their bad rep is entirely down to a lack of self awareness

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

Jolyon, chief

You think you've got away Skut free but I always say let he who is without sin Castafiore the first stone