Loughborough Junction public space improvements - consultation begins

[ChrisSouth]

Yes phenomena goes back to roman times but the word which we all use (& its perjorative tone) is new?

Yes, the phrase, in socioeconomic context was coined by Ruth Glass in 1964. But as noted, it's been around for a long time. Just because a word doesn't exist, doesn't mean the phenomena doesn't happen. Unless you're a linguistic sceptic.

 

[CH1]

"£130 fine if you drive in this congestion area"

It is not a congestion area - simply a road the council does not wish road traffic to use.
The sign should say "£130 if you drive between Ridgway Road and Barrington Road" - if that's what it is.

 

[prunus]

It is not a congestion area - simply a road the council does not wish road traffic to use.
The sign should say "£130 if you drive between Ridgway Road and Barrington Road" - if that's what it is.

Sorry - mistyping it says "pedestrian area"

Will fix the original....

 

[editor]

Here's how Loughborough Road looked last night:

 

[bimble]

Yes, it's lovely round here now, it's really working, creating that cosy community feeling.

 

[concerned1]

I am very excited about this car free day this afternoon: Can't wait to witness the range of activities and fun things that have been organised to showcase what a vibrant community space that section of Loughborough Road will turn into if / when the closures become permanent.
I see that the Streatham version will have a roller disco, pop up playground for under 5s, a bike market, music, food "and more".
It looks like LJ's extravaganza will have.. actually I have no idea. Possibly just an empty space, like the opposite of an event. Maybe it's Art.

 

[concerned1]

Disgraceful closure of a road. A biker got that upset he was kicking down the barriers and Connaught who were there to maintain them kept putting them back up. That's about the only event that took place.

 

[bimble]

Today's new sign, which is stuck onto yesterday's new sign:

 

[bimble]

Here's a link to that petition.
Jbrathwaite@lambeth.gov.uk; [email]mparr1@lambeth.gov.uk[/email]: Say NO to Loughborough Road closure

 

[concerned1]

It was not just Council Residents handing out leaflets about the road closures on Saturday at the Car free event.
The ljroadmadness group are made up of representatives of all the local businesses, residents from all around the closed roads areas, not just Council tenants, several TRA's, Loughborough EMB, Angell Town EMB, Myatt's Field South etc. More people are joining the group on a daily basis.
LJAG are not representing the whole of local community. And as for join them to direct them. Members are not invited to decision making meetings in fact only their AGM. There is a small group of trustees, at it's AGM no nominations were put forward and none were asked for at the meeting. A little clique. As for the Pop up Park people they were there to consult on a Parklet, they did not go early because they were abused, they went because hardly anyone attended (because there were no leaflets, no posters) and they felt the road closure was more the issue.

 

[teuchter]

bimble you seem very keen to get people opposing the scheme before they've seen what the actual effects of it are. Has some kind of negative effect arisen for you in the day and a half they been being semi-enforced so far?

 

[teuchter]

From the petition


Someone needs to stand up for the people of Dulwich and their right to transport gardening equipment through Loughborough Junction.

Please don't make them have to use public transport to get to "the North". That would simply be unbearable.

 

[teuchter]

OMG LITERALLY 10 MINUTES

 

[bimble]

Oh Teucher. What I am keen on is consultation and people having every opportunity to express their views on what is happening, whatever their views may be, during this which is supposed to be the consultation period.
Because Lambeth does not have the resources to actually do any consultation itself, it is down to people like whoever put that handmade poster up.

 

[bimble]

Cheap shots Mr Teucher. You missed this one though.

 

[teuchter]

 

[teuchter]

Cheap shots Mr Teucher. You missed this one though.
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I didn't miss that one. I'm glad you picked it out because I'm going to keep an eye on traffic on that road over the next few weeks and see whether it's a real problem.

 

[teuchter]

Oh Teucher. What I am keen on is consultation and people having every opportunity to express their views on what is happening, whatever their views may be, during this which is supposed to be the consultation period.
Because Lambeth does not have the resources to actually do any consultation itself, it is down to people like whoever put that handmade poster up.

What you are doing is not consultation.

 

[bimble]

Glad you're there to keep an eye on everything, make sure all these hundreds of people who keep claiming they are being negatively effected aren't just imagining things.

 

[leanderman]

Since we are talking hospitals, the real problem is that of air pollution causing 9,500 premature deaths a year.

Another paradox is that the contention that some parents need to drive to school for time reasons.

Were their cars not on the road, buses might move more freely and do the job just as well.

 

[bimble]

What you are doing is not consultation.

Actually, I really did try.
If you look at this you might agree that it's an honest attempt to collect opinions, not to push an agenda.

SurveyMonkey - Log in

 

[teuchter]

Actually, I really did try.
If you look at this you might agree that it's an honest attempt to collect opinions, not to push an agenda.

SurveyMonkey - Log in

I already explained that there's no point asking people about the effects of something that hasn't even happened yet.

 

[teuchter]

Glad you're there to keep an eye on everything, make sure all these hundreds of people who keep claiming they are being negatively effected aren't just imagining things.

Generally, people seeing effects of things that haven't happened yet are imagining things.

 

[teuchter]

Were their cars not on the road, buses might move more freely and do the job just as well.

And ambulances would get to hospital more quickly too.

 

[bimble]

I already explained that there's no point asking people about the effects of something that hasn't even happened yet.

Thanks for explaining again.
The effects are definitely happening on my corner, I promise, unless I'm imagining the significant increase in traffic which is forced to come down this small street because it can't use Loughborough Rd, the constant U-turns and angry confused people below my window , and that the bus takes 3 times longer along CH lane.

 

[cuppa tee]

What you are doing is not consultation.

the same can be said for the council

Since we are talking hospitals, the real problem is that of air pollution causing 9,500 premature deaths a year.

Another paradox is that the contention that some parents need to drive to school for time reasons.

Were their cars not on the road, buses might move more freely and do the job just as well.

how does closing one route along Loughborough Road address this issue when the displaced traffic is pushed onto major bus routes.........?

 

[teuchter]

Thanks for explaining again.
The effects are definitely happening on my corner, I promise, unless I'm imagining the significant increase in traffic which is forced to come down this small street because it can't use Loughborough Rd, the constant U-turns and angry confused people below my window , and that the bus takes 3 times longer along CH lane.

And as has already been explained, you need to wait some time, several weeks at least, before you know what the long term effects are. People will change their journey patterns as they become more aware of the changes. Everyone who has executed a u-turn under your window will know not to try that particular cut-through again.

 

[teuchter]

how does closing one route along Loughborough Road address this issue when the displaced traffic is pushed onto major bus routes.........?

I thought you said your opposition was based on your opinion on the motivation of the scheme's promoters. But now you are questioning it on the basis of the details of its implementation.

And you haven't answered my request to clarify your basic position on the principle of restricting private motor traffic.

 

[Ms T]

It is a bit depressing that people aren't willing to give it a chance. And yes, I do own a car but prefer to do local journeys by foot.

 

[teuchter]

Here is some reading for anyone interested in understanding the evidence-based principles behind encouraging modal shift (ie people switching to different methods of travel).

Barriers to Modal Shift


This answers the arguments about traffic being displaced onto other routes and slowing down buses. The whole point is to reduce the overall amont of car traffic on the roads. This is not going to happen within 48 hours of the changes being made. There is a reason why the experiment is supposed to run for 6 months. Some of the positive effects won't even take full effect within that period.

Much of the thinking behind the objections to the scheme is the same that generated the idea that building a motorway through Brixton and Loughborough Junction would be a good plan. Shame that never happened eh?