London Gentrification

[scifisam]

A question for all you Londoners - is there going to be a point with all this where you say "I've had enough" and move out? Or can you see a point in the future where you simply won't have a choice?

Or is the lure of London strong enough that you'll find a way to stay whatever the cost/bullshit?

For me two practical things keep me here - work and public transport. I know both exist in other places but not to the level I need, esp. public transport. I can't really walk, so getting to the bus stop is an arse, but then at least I usually only have to wait a few minutes. And I will never be able to drive, and neither will my daughter (who is unlikely to be able to live independently) so I have two people to think of.

The few other places that have decent public transport are also expensive, though not as much as London because nowhere is.

We're in social housing. There is still a lot of social housing in London. That's one of the things the Tories are trying to stop.

 

[Treacle Toes]

Hackney: A place for everyone?
Overview
Tell us your stories

There has been a lot of change in Hackney over the last 10 to 15 years, so we would like to hear from local residents about what this means for them.

The Council's Chief Executive, Tim Shields said:

“So much has changed in Hackney in recent years. We want to give local people the chance to share their thoughts and feelings about the change. Much of the change has been positive, but Hackney faces many challenges: an affordable housing crisis, a growing population, and massive central government cuts to local public service budgets”.

We would like to capture a variety of personal stories and circumstances to improve our understanding of the impact on local residents.



https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/communications-and-consultation/hackney-a-place-for-everyone

 

[Belushi]

How Paris is attempting to tackle its housing shortage http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/01/paris-london-skyscrapers-homes-triangle-tower

 

[ViolentPanda]

London without middle class journos doesn't sound so bad

We should at least keep Guardian/Observer journos in London.
Preferably fastened by their entrails to park railings.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hackney: A place for everyone?
Overview
Tell us your stories

There has been a lot of change in Hackney over the last 10 to 15 years, so we would like to hear from local residents about what this means for them.

The Council's Chief Executive, Tim Shields said:

“So much has changed in Hackney in recent years. We want to give local people the chance to share their thoughts and feelings about the change. Much of the change has been positive, but Hackney faces many challenges: an affordable housing crisis, a growing population, and massive central government cuts to local public service budgets”.

We would like to capture a variety of personal stories and circumstances to improve our understanding of the impact on local residents.



https://consultation.hackney.gov.uk/communications-and-consultation/hackney-a-place-for-everyone

presumably a successor project to the cultural olympiad "mappung the change" project run by the museum.

 

[Belushi]

There's been a bit of a flurry of articles by middle class journo's flouncing from London the past week https://i-d.vice.com/en_gb/article/london-its-over-and-its-not-me-its-you

Hadley Freeman addresses this trend http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jul/02/london-new-york-capital

 

[Belushi]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/04/leave-london-never-ill-be-staying-and-fighting-for-it

 

[Orang Utan]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/is-it-time-you-left-london#.xv45QJ05e

 

[Artaxerxes]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/is-it-time-you-left-london#.xv45QJ05e

Long since and I'm well aware of it without taking a quiz.

The tap water pop-up bar is news to me though, what the fuck?

 

[Puddy_Tat]

The tap water pop-up bar is news to me though, what the fuck?

It was an RNLI fundraising thing - article here

 

[Artaxerxes]

Ah thats not so bad then, I approve of anything for the RNLI

 

[Yossarian]

There's been a bit of a flurry of articles by middle class journo's flouncing from London the past week https://i-d.vice.com/en_gb/article/london-its-over-and-its-not-me-its-you

Think this one is my favorite.

https://samkriss.wordpress.com/2015/07/03/why-youre-not-leaving-london/

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

http://www.buzzfeed.com/lukelewis/is-it-time-you-left-london#.xv45QJ05e

That's shit IMO. I manage to go through my life living in London almost totally unaware of all of that stuff, except for being surrounded by people banging on and on and on at very tedious length about how terrible it is and how you can't move for it. It just seems like a distraction from the real issues to me.

 

[AnnO'Neemus]

Ah thats not so bad then, I approve of anything for the RNLI

You are TobyJug and I claim my five pounds!

 

[ViolentPanda]

You are TobyJug and I claim my five pounds!

You have been away a long time! The Jugster has been banned, and has returned several times since he had the username "tobyjug".

 

[panpete]

I am reminded of a short story by JG Ballard called Billennium:
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=vbxpVbCmAYXdUcC0gZAP&url=ftp://cpc1-seac23-2-0-cust35.7-2.cable.virginm.net/shares/USB_Storage/Media/Books/Non-Medical/J.%20G.%20Ballard/J.%20G.%20Ballard%20-%20Billennium.pdf&ved=0CDIQFjAF&usg=AFQjCNEK9rBUSJIPb6nuZj-92vxU3RNHLg&sig2=UkVzcDOwUKvf9P5ZDMrbVw

I like ballard, but I couldn't read all that as it started to depress me, even though it is fiction.
My worst nightmare is being stuck with people and no privacy, stems from sharing a bed with sister and bedroom with two sisters.
Its shows how good Ballard is though, if he can depress me after reading a few paras

 

[Pickman's model]

I like ballard, but I couldn't read all that as it started to depress me, even though it is fiction.
My worst nightmare is being stuck with people and no privacy, stems from sharing a bed with sister and bedroom with two sisters.
Its shows how good Ballard is though, if he can depress me after reading a few paras

that's nothing, jane austen can depress me if i just see a copy of pride and prejudice or persuasion

 

[panpete]

that's nothing, jane austen can depress me if i just see a copy of pride and prejudice or persuasion

I've never had the attention span to read these novels but I wish I did.
I have got a taste of Kafka, and I think those who make the legislations also read Kafka hahahhahh

 

[Greebo]

I've never had the attention span to read these novels but I wish I did. <snip>

Try the more recent television and film adaptations, not the ones done in the 1970s and 80s. They don't completely repeat everything in the books, but they might give you some idea of what happens in them - including all the class stuff and the banter.

 

[Belushi]

What you could get elsewhere..

http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomchivers/how-flipping-much?bffbuk&utm_term=4ldqphz#.odEjwVANLV

 

[cuppa tee]

and there's more.........
http://www.buzzfeed.com/sophiegadd/21-reasons-london-just-needs-to-stop#.nuA3m1o9OK

 

[Belushi]

Early days but Berlins rent control laws appear to be bringing down costs

http://www.citylab.com/housing/2015...rent-control-laws-are-already-working/398087/

 

[Orang Utan]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-big-cities-got-too-expensive-for-millennials
Fucking hell, in America, they think rent is not affordable if it's more than 30% of your income, but in England, tenants spend 50%:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jul/16/tenants-in-england-spend-half-their-pay-on-rent
In London, I would have to spend about 70% of my income if I lived alone.

 

[Plumdaff]

Fucking hell, in America, they think rent is not affordable if it's more than 30% of your income, but in England, tenants spend 50%:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jul/16/tenants-in-england-spend-half-their-pay-on-rent
In London, I would have to spend about 70% of my income if I lived alone.

Until very recently that was the affordability level we used here too. It's a symptom of the madness in this bubble that people spending 40 to 50 % of their income on housing are doing ok.

 

[Pickman's model]

Fucking hell, in America, they think rent is not affordable if it's more than 30% of your income, but in England, tenants spend 50%:
http://www.theguardian.com/money/2015/jul/16/tenants-in-england-spend-half-their-pay-on-rent
In London, I would have to spend about 70% of my income if I lived alone.

from 2013: http://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/may/16/low-income-families-housing-costs

At least 1.3m families in England on lower incomes have to spend more than a third of their net income on housing, largely due to a shortage of private rented sector housing, according to a new report from the Resolution Foundation.

The research shows how the combination of the intractable housing market and the earnings squeeze has made housing costs a key source of pressure on living standards.

 

[Orang Utan]

oops, see re-edit, i didn't link to the article about American rent: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-big-cities-got-too-expensive-for-millennials

 

[Belushi]

Ugh

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/london-ren...-girl-who-wants-stay-rent-free-zone-1-1511220

 

[Pickman's model]

Ugh

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/london-ren...-girl-who-wants-stay-rent-free-zone-1-1511220

 

[oryx]

and 'Ugh' very much indeed - going back to the days of Rachman.

 

[Treacle Toes]