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Large Hadron Collider

Are you prepared to accept any chance, even 1 percent, that a black hole will be created that consumes the earth?

But who is saying there is a 1% chance? That's the whole issue you are avoiding.

You can't build an argument against the LHC by ignoring science and plucking figures out of the air.

Now.... That link...
 
Next month is the switch on for the LHC and I for one welcome the event.

Amusingly there was an article in the London (sorry) Lite newspaper yesterday. I was mildly amused that the most ambitious science project in human history was on page 12 and David and Victoria were on page 1 :)

If this particle does appear at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva, Switzerland, it could change the nature of physics. Physicists might have to abandon their goal of explaining the fundamental basis of our reality and just accept that the properties of matter and energy in our universe arose at random.

It may also explain why David Beckham dresses so nattily and how Victoria Beckams head manages to support sunglasses of that size. Scientists already believe that as her brain is so small her neck muscles are able to cope with the additional weight but have yet to provide conclusive evidence of this.
 
If this particle does appear at the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) near Geneva, Switzerland, it could change the nature of physics. Physicists might have to abandon their goal of explaining the fundamental basis of our reality and just accept that the properties of matter and energy in our universe arose at random.

Or, more likely, nothing much will happen (nothing dramatic, anyway) and it wil be a damp squib.
 
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It's worth remembering that the LMC (which is where the Higgs will be detected, if at all) is only one of 5 detectors, and only 1 of thousands of experiments that will be carried out using the LHC. Among other gems wil include the chance of generating exotic matter, confirmation of whether DM exists or not, plus loads o fstuff that the super high energies generated by LHC collisions cause...
 
It's worth remembering that the LMC (which is where the Higgs will be detected, if at all) is only one of 5 detectors, and only 1 of thousands of experiments that will be carried out using the LHC. Among other gems wil include the chance of generating exotic matter, confirmation of whether DM exists or not, plus loads o fstuff that the super high energies generated by LHC collisions cause...
and in english? (or not using acronyms!)
 
DM = Dark Matter
LMC should have been CMS=Compact Muon Solenoid - basically a single huge magnet that might just be able to see the Higgs boson, so called 'God Particle' thought to be the field that imbues particles with mass, which would confirm that the Standard Model (basically a theory about how the whole universe fits together) is correct...and make a lot of physicists very, very happy people.
 
It's gotta chill first man...

Down to 1.5K above absolute zero. Not quite the coldest environment humanity has created (which is few billionths' K above abosolute zero), but colder than most of the universe...
 
Once we find this Higgs Boson hoopajoop, there'll be no more starvation or war or disease right? Only it seems to me like we could be using the staggeringly vast resources that have been, quite literally, poured into a big fuck off hole in the ground to look after humans and then worry about tiny little bits of semi-theoretical quantumly entangled nothingness. Our species is standing on the deck of a sinking ship and squabbling about whether that shape on the horizon was a dolphin or a porpoise.

Is progress towards a pointless goal really progress? Or is it just a very high-tech game of silly buggers?
 
Once we find this Higgs Boson hoopajoop, there'll be no more starvation or war or disease right? Only it seems to me like we could be using the staggeringly vast resources that have been, quite literally, poured into a big fuck off hole in the ground to look after humans and then worry about tiny little bits of semi-theoretical quantumly entangled nothingness. Our species is standing on the deck of a sinking ship and squabbling about whether that shape on the horizon was a dolphin or a porpoise.

Is progress towards a pointless goal really progress? Or is it just a very high-tech game of silly buggers?

The pointless goal of unlocking the secrets of the universe?

And yes, in the long run scientific research may well help bring an end to poverty, disease, war etc (although it'd probably just throw up a raft of new problems).
 
"The direct total LHC project cost is £2.6bn, made up of:"

Surely it can't be that small an amount of money? I can't believe we could have two LHCs for a bit more than we're about to spend on shitty aircraft carriers... :mad:
 
"The direct total LHC project cost is £2.6bn, made up of:"

Surely it can't be that small an amount of money? I can't believe we could have two LHCs for a bit more than we're about to spend on shitty aircraft carriers... :mad:

That's about right, split between 20-odd countries. I think the cost has doubled since the initial estimate in the 1990s. It's not a huge amount of money for a vast multinational effort. The expertise gained in being able to handle the transmission, storage and analysis of the vast oceans of data generated by the experiments will justify the cost in any event.
 
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