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But 100% falls well outside the range of 0-5%. Are you being deliberately obtuse? You still haven't backed up your earlier assertion.

He said that in a range from 0 to 5, that 5 was as probable as zero. So if that is the case, then in a range from 0 to 100, 100 would be as probable as zero.


Maybe it's time to go back and brush up on your probability theory, boys.:D
 
Then it also falls in the range of 0 -100, and has the same probability as 100 does.

What?

You seem to be a tad confused to say the very least.

You seem to be talking about the probability of a probability.

Any event could be said to lay on a line of probability from 0% (impossible) to 100% (inevitable). What you are talking about is effectively saying that anything possible is inevitable which is utter nonsense of course.
 
What?

You seem to be a tad confused to say the very least.

You seem to be talking about the probability of a probability.

Any event could be said to lay on a line of probability from 0% (impossible) to 100% (inevitable). What you are talking about is effectively saying that anything possible is inevitable which is utter nonsense of course.

Let's take what you said, to be true. That O and 5% are equally probable. [at least I think it was you.:)]

Are you prepared to live with a five percent chance that the collider will create dark matter/black holes, that will consume the earth?
 
Let's take what you said, to be true. That O and 5% are equally probable. [at least I think it was you.:)]

I don't think anybody has said that have they?

You seem to be confusing the fact that both 0% and 5% probabilities fall within the range of probabilities from 0-5% with their probabilities themselves.

0% and 5% are just two probabilities that fall within the range. 3% is just as much part of the range as is 4.87465234% and 0.1^-67%. ALL probabilities from 0% to 5% are equally a part of the range. That doesn't mean they are equally likely.


Are you prepared to live with a five percent chance that the collider will create dark matter/black holes, that will consume the earth?

As you have conspicuously failed to demonstrate that there is a 5% chance of disaster (or that any credible source believes there is a risk of such a disaster) then your question is both nonsensical and irrelevant.

Now about that link.
 
Let's take what you said, to be true. That O and 5% are equally probable. [at least I think it was you.:)]

Are you prepared to live with a five percent chance that the collider will create dark matter/black holes, that will consume the earth?

No one said 0 and 5% are equally probably. Nice wriggling, though. 8/10.
 
what, this one??

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No one said 0 and 5% are equally probably. Nice wriggling, though. 8/10.

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Originally Posted by Johnny Canuck2
There is no range. The chance is zero, and only zero.

The range is 0% - 0%.
A probability of zero falls within the range 0-5% exactly the same as a probability of 5% does.

Now about that link....

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There is zero percent chance of a dodo watching tv with you, not a five percent chance.

Well done.

Now all you have to do is get your mind around the fact that zero falls within the range zero to five and you're home and dry :D

Try to remember that just because zero is a part of the range zero to five in the same way as five is that doesn't mean zero equals five.

Come to think of it, I'm not sure watching The Sound of Music with a Do-do is actually impossible if you were to allow a few highly unlikely possibilities (sudden advance in cloning technology, discovery of viable dodo DNA, somebody lending me a DVD of The Sound of Music). Very, very, very,very unlikely but not actually impossible perhaps.
 
I was showing how meaningless your 0 - 5 comment was.

Of course it's meaningless, I'm glad the penny's dropped at last. I think you've forgotten what you were arguing in the first place :D

So... about these physicists working on the LHC project who think there is a 1 -10% chance of creating a black hole or dark matter (whatever that may turn out to be). Have you found a link yet?
 
Of course it's meaningless, I'm glad the penny's dropped at last. I think you've forgotten what you were arguing in the first place :D

So... about these physicists working on the LHC project who think there is a 1 -10% chance of creating a black hole or dark matter (whatever that may turn out to be). Have you found a link yet?

Ah.

But a 1 - 10 percent chance, is different from a 0 - 5 percent chance.

In the first, there is always some chance. The lowest it goes, is 1.

Are you prepared to accept any chance, even 1 percent, that a black hole will be created that consumes the earth?
 
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