Urban75 Home About Offline BrixtonBuzz Contact

Language learning support/community thread

<snip> But I want people to practise it with via email etc, as my french freinds and family are all busy and my folks can't talk a word of spanish.

Anyone know anywhere you can find people, like a language exchange etc?
There are language exchanges out there, including real life ones in pubs etc once a month or once a week (eg if you're close enough to London), try googling. There are also message boards and mailing lists in French (not necessarily aimed at language learners) and the same goes for Spanish (just search yahoogroups etc). These will give you quite a steep learning curve, but they'll at least get you back in the habit of thinking in the target language instead of translating from English.

BTW if you don't want to switch keyboard settings, www.typeit.org has sets of the accented letters etc for you to copy and paste (even into plain text).
 
I'm not remotely "shy", but my problem starts with communicating per se - I don't do "small talk" - there has to be a reason for communicating.
I've had new neighbours for several weeks - a perfectly nice young couple - they even have bikes - but it's taken this long to exchange names - and I've forgotten hers already. :oops:

There is no way on earth I'm going to make use of the several French language social groups in Bristol - full-on Sunday supplement stuff.

I need to hit the ground running in six years...

I found a very nice house earlier today in Brittany - as it happens it's a bit too touristy (though that gives plenty of scope for seasonal work), and 33 percent of the permanent residents are over 55 - so presumably a lot of retirees with neatly-clipped lawns and hedges.. and though I would be automatically signing up for such things as a matter of course, I'm wondering how many Monday / Friday walks I'd be able to participate in without mentioning politics or religion ... plus I'm to all intents and purposes a vegetarian - shock horror !

http://www.mahalon.fr/randonnee.html

Online I've drawn a total blank so far.
 
Last edited:
I'm not remotely "shy", but my problem starts with communicating per se - I don't do "small talk" - there has to be a reason for communicating.
I've had new neighbours for several weeks - a perfectly nice young couple - they even have bikes - but it's taken this long to exchange names - and I've forgotten hers already. :oops:

There is no way on earth I'm going to make use of the several French language social groups in Bristol - full-on Sunday supplement stuff.

I need to hit the ground running in six years...

<snip> I'm wondering how many Sunday walks I'd be able to participate in without mentioning politics or religion ... plus I'm to all intents and purposes a vegetarian - shock horror !<snip>
IMHO you can discuss subjects which touch on religion, politics etc from a starting point of agreeing to disagree, making it possible to enjoy a very free and frank exchange of views without falling out or coming to blows. While party politics might be unacceptable as a subject, what about DIY, the art of getting by ("se débrouillage"), environmental issues, or "l'exode rurale" (the tendancy of young working age people to leave the countryside)?

I have several good reasons to dislike small talk (main reason, it hurts like hell), but sometimes it has to be learnt before the more interesting stuff can be covered. eg I've spent the last term and a bit covering "What do you do (as a job)?","how was your weekend?", "what do you usually like to eat for breakfast?". Trivial stuff, but it hammers home basic grammar and vocabulary: I do it in the same spirit as resigning myself to hours of finger drills or walkthroughs of steps until they became second nature.
 
There are language exchanges out there, including real life ones in pubs etc once a month or once a week (eg if you're close enough to London), try googling. There are also message boards and mailing lists in French (not necessarily aimed at language learners) and the same goes for Spanish (just search yahoogroups etc). These will give you quite a steep learning curve, but they'll at least get you back in the habit of thinking in the target language instead of translating from English.

BTW if you don't want to switch keyboard settings, www.typeit.org has sets of the accented letters etc for you to copy and paste (even into plain text).

Ah, not near enough london unfortunately..... but ill look for some yahoo groups etc.
 
Another week, another 90 minutes of mangling agreed endings. Here goes nothing...
 
That was intense - and all in the past tense, to be exact.
 
I need to get back on my french and spanish, Ive got both at GCSE level, and can understand both reasonably (i think) well, as have lots of french freinds, french family, and my folks live in spain.

But I want people to practise it with via email etc, as my french freinds and family are all busy and my folks can't talk a word of spanish.

Anyone know anywhere you can find people, like a language exchange etc?
lookup italki.com I am sure there are plenty of equivalents in terms of Skype language exchange forums.
 
This morning I used a large chunk of my data allowance on this 15 minute TED talk. The key points are:
1) Be open to making mistakes, because every time you learn something completely new it's probably going to feel not quite right.
2) Scrap the alphabet and find a way of writing down the language which works for you to get the intonation and sounds when learning it.
3) Have "shower conversations" - talk to yourself in the shower etc to find which bits of the language you don't know. eg you might be able to ask for directions but could you understand the answer, let alone give directions?
4) Find a stickler - somebody who is able to notice and correct your mistakes, and with whom you feel comfortable.
5) Find a buddy to practise with - this works best when the language you have most in common is the one you're trying to learn. In the clip, the speaker gives the example of having a colleague who was also a polyglot. Their first shared language was English, their second one Spanish, but they spoke to each other in German at work because nobody around them understood a word of it, so they got away with chatting about the weekend in far more privacy. :D
 
I've started back up Spanish on Duolingo after a long, long holiday. I'm using my time at work between calls to run through the lessons and it feels GREAT to be learning a language and getting paid for it. :cool:

*BUMP* for motivation for the rest of you... :thumbs:
 
I wanted to do Spanish or German evening classes this year but I was quite shocked at the costs. I could have sworn when I did my German A level in the evenings some time back it was much lower cost.
 
I wanted to do Spanish or German evening classes this year but I was quite shocked at the costs. I could have sworn when I did my German A level in the evenings some time back it was much lower cost.
FWIW the cost of all A level courses will go up this year for adults, to a few thousand pounds from what was a few hundred pounds. This isn't the fault of the colleges, it's because government funding has been slashed.

I'm not even sure that there'll be a 2nd year to the (non-accredited) course I'm on.
 
I was told that people will be expected to fund it with a career development loan - this will work well. :facepalm:
Some years ago my parents bought three language courses for us, I forget the brand, but the usual a case with loads of tapes and some books, French, German and Spanish. I have no idea what became of them but I do wish I had them now.
 
*shrug* I'd rather not have to resort to teaching myself again, due to a distinct lack of self-discipline.

OTOH I've still got the Michel Thomas CDs, the textbook and CD from the current course, there's a sequel to work through, a few bits here and there over the net, and a local Polish supermarket sells magazines quite cheaply. Which will probably mean an accent lag, but it should be just about possible.

Next on the to do list: BSL (from a dvd) and Spanish.
No it is outrageous. I want to learn / improve my languages for their own sake, not only for my career.
I hear you - and I have absolutely no chance of using mine in paid work (because I'm not available for work) therefore no chance of getting funding. Nor do I get a concession, because I'm neither over 60 nor is the class run during the day (it isn't taught in the day at all, except at places I can't afford).

Edited to add: I'm not happy about the situation but there's fuck all I can do.
 
Last edited:
2 weeks left. The drop out rate (for beginners' Polish) is amazing - about 30 down to 6 in three terms. As this is the first time I've been in a non full time language class, I'm not sure whether this is higher than usual. The second year is in the brochure but might not go ahead, again because of the lack of enough non beginners. :(

So, I'm getting the follow on textbook and seriously considering arranging to meet up with what remains of the group, nearby if the class gets pulled. After all, if all of us are more or less resigned to setting aside that evening anyway, a bit of motivation could be useful, to at least retain the bits already learnt.
 
Downloaded the memrise app on my phone and decided to create my own content for it using a book I got over half way through before but gave up because I got bored. So going review what I've done before with it over the next few days, then start going over the new stuff after. Hopefully memrise will help me remember some of the vocab because when I was entering all the old vocab I'd 'learnt' on to memrise, it seemed like I've never heard of some of it...
 
Aaaand we're back to the competitive use of extra materials. I've got the sequel textbook, somebody else has got the companion workbook* to this year's textbook, and we're exchanging notes on ebooks written for children.

This could be seen as a bit unhealthy, but the suspicion that everyone else will be working harder than you (okay, I mean "me") is an incentive to avoid letting things slide between now and September.

Edited to add: *Now ordered, sheesh.
 
Last edited:
It really sucks that your class has imploded. Hope they don't pull the course.

I have been thinking its that time of year again and whether a forray into classes is worth the effort. The pros - good tuition, well-worked materials, social interaction, cons - value for money, regimented class time.

I have recently put myself down for the low-level oral exam in October. I'm panicking a bit, because my speaking and listening are awful and totally out of sync with how much reading I can do. I'm trying to work on this, mainly through Skype language exchanges and listening materials.

For the last month I think I have done a good solid something or other everyday, but it's the same pattern, you think you have turned a corner, but it's more difficult than you know. Had a particularly bad experience the other week with a random dismissing my ability. There is a lot to be said with Language learning requiring a nurturing environment and egos and dickheads don't exactly facilitate that.

I'm hoping if I pass the exam, along with the previous HSK result I might warrant the scholarship, though I might not be able to utilise it, and I may fall foul of the institutes age restrictions :-(
 
I am learning Chinese since the last year :) I must say it's not as difficult as they say as long as you use menmonic technics to learn characters
 
I am learning Chinese since the last year :) I must say it's not as difficult as they say as long as you use menmonic technics to learn characters
Very true. But the tones are an added complexity. I try and get round this by colour coding anki answer flash cards very similar to the dictionary listings on MDBG.
 
I've been really trying hard to learn more over the last couple of weeks. I feel like a switch has flicked in my head to give me some motivation that will last. Not done less than an hour of studying a day in that time and often it's over 2 hours.

Just started using the HelloTalk language exchange app, which is great to find Chinese speakers to talk to. I'm using it more to improve my writing/reading but can be used for speaking too. My only criticism would be there are too many Chinese wanting to talk to you at once!
 
Got any tips on learning Chinese? :)

Sure :)

1. I use mnemotechnics to learn characters. I work with the book Remembering the Hanzi by Heisig and there is a free app for Android to practice.
2. I listen to ChinesePod dialogues and podcasts (their audio reviews don't work so well for me)
3. I take lesson over skype with a private teacher, I have found my teacher on italki.
4. I am watching Happy Chinese videos on YouTube
5. I have a favorite movie in Chinese which I have watched many times (Green Tea, 2003) - with English and Chinese subtitles.

Hope this helps! Good luck!
 
Thanks!

Do quite a bit of that myself.

Only thing is, I've never really had a 'proper' teacher. I had a couple of English speaking Chinese give me a couple of free lessons but I wasn't motivated to learn back then. I'm reluctant to pay anything for lessons now because I want to save money for my family. I am at the advantage of being able to practice with 99.99% of the people around me though. Just need more confidence to push myself in conversations though.
 
Just bought my latest language learning tool.... a basketball. I live near some basketball courts that are quite popular and thought it would be a good way to get to speak to people if I played some basketball there. My main sport is rugby (generally playing as one of the more skilled ball handlers :p) and I go to the gym regularly, so don't need to try too hard on the basic skills or make much effort with fitness, just need to know the rules a bit better and spend a little bit of time learning to shoot properly. Let's see how it works out anyway :)
 
Back
Top Bottom