Lambeth's plans to demolish Cressingham Gardens and other estates without the consent of residents
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leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Did I miss the comment from the council? Or an explanation of their rationale?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The explanation of their rationale is all in the drawing etc in the article. The outline development options have a link on the piece.
The one question that Jason could have asked Council is what they will do if the preferred option of the residents is option one. Will the Council keep to its "Coop Council" / "Co production and do option one?
editor
hiraethified
I thought he laid out what the council is proposing here, with a link taking readers to their own document:
Rushy
basically a scrotum
This is an interesting commons debate about compulsory purchase (not the rights and wrongs but the way it was being handled) from the mid seventies which contains some figures. Lambeth was making four or five compulsory orders a year in the late 60s early 70s - averaging 25 acres/ year. In 1973 it increased to 200 acres. People were forming into residents groups to fight it.
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1973/feb/16/compulsory-purchase-orders
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1973/feb/16/compulsory-purchase-orders
editor
hiraethified
That's never, ever going to happen is it? It needs private investment to fund it.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
But if it were feasible?
editor
hiraethified
Sorry, but my imagination can't run as far enough as to conceive of a large council house development being built in such an area without it being peppered with luxury flats. Either way, it's hard to form an opinion based on those vague, blocky diagrams.
It's not feasible, but let's play: In my arrogant opinion, option 5 is hideous. Quite apart from all of those newbuilds being more expensive to live in (higher council tax bands, "affordable rent, rather than social rent, all on water meters), the part of the estate nearest the park would have its upper floors level with the treetops along that side of Brockwell Park. Less natural light for people wanting to catch a bit of sun without going too far into the park.
Less light beween and around the blocks, less privacy, fewer natural meeting points, less of a neighbourhood feel, less of a chance for noise to dissipate between blocks (more hard surfaces). To me, option 5 looks like the type of barrack-style council housing around Trott Street in Battersea, but worse; it lacks soul.
Rushy
basically a scrotum
Thanks for playing Geebo! I agree it's not feasible but I'm considering the principles behind the opinions more than the reality. I'm not sure why you think your opinion is arrogant? I like Cressingham a lot and would be hugely protective over it - apart form a couple of the taller blocks which I think lack the design integrity of the smaller units and dominate them. The three bed houses are a particularly great design. When my old Mum started looking at returning to the UK I thought that would be an ideal place for her to live. But, realistically, I'm also aware that one of the reasons I like it so much is that it is a large space which is not as intensively occupied as much of the surrounding area. I can see why having it replaced with "luxury" flats - or largely "luxury" flats - would feel / be like a slap in the face.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Or so its claimed.
Fact is, truth is often entirely irrelevant and actively antithetical to journalism.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
You mean, even though it's already been stated that they won't be, so we're basically indulging in fantasising?
If option 5 were to be developed entirely as local authority social housing, not RSL or any other type of social housing, I would, as a tenant, swallow it, though not easily or quietly.
Option 5 will, however, be (at best) "mixed" tenure with mixed ownership, so...
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ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
As Greebo and I were walking through Brockwell Pk down to Water Lane yesterday, I did a bit of "back-of-an-envelope" estimating, with regard to the projected heights (allowing the standard eight and a half feet per storey) of the 4 storey blocks. They'd pretty much overshadow the majority of the trees that currently border the park's estate-side fence by about a storey. It'd also mean that the majority of trees on the estate, apart from those in the Brockwell Park Conservation Area, would be felled, so one of the features that best integrates the estate into the surrounding landscape would be sacrificed in order to milk as much profit as possible.
Not to mention the new internal roads & parking that would probably need to be built. Most of the "green spaces" on Cressingham would normally be covered in streets and carparking if it were a standard style development.
And if anyone has tried to get a bus in the morning at peak hour, it is only going to get worse.
And if anyone has tried to get a bus in the morning at peak hour, it is only going to get worse.
Nice bit of Cressingham Gardens history here...
https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/cressingham-gardens-lambeth/
https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2014/09/09/cressingham-gardens-lambeth/
boohoo
No.
Interesting article. I didn't realise George finch built Lambeth towers - it's a nice looking block.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
A fascinating read.
Makes Lambeths "Coop Council" look paltry in comparison with the post war vision of the Labour party and committed socially aware architects like Hollamby.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The Labour party then would be regarded as far left by the kind of people in Labour party now.
SpamMisery
Pretty comfortable here right under your skin
Labour will be fucked if Scotland departs. They'll have to move right of centre. I wonder if they'll change their name
leanderman
Street Party: July 2
Exactly. Nervous times
Bit more municipal dreaming about the design of the estate and the campaign to keep it. I love municipal dreams, me.
https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/cressingham-gardens-lambeth-2/
I hope it doesn't get knocked down.
https://municipaldreams.wordpress.com/2014/09/16/cressingham-gardens-lambeth-2/
I hope it doesn't get knocked down.
buscador
culturally dominant
That's a great blog. Cheers.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
We've seen an excellent throughput of visitors yesterday and today, and it all helps keep Cressingham Gdns "as is" in the public mind, and hopefully will generate a bit of anti-drastic redevelopment sentiment too, which Lambeth will hate.
Manter
Lunch Mob
Two of the groups touring it today seemed larger, younger, and less timid than yesterday. They seemed fascinated by the view of through the walkway of the mounds.Oula was telling me how much she enjoyed the tour. As did Z
Yesterday it seemed to be mostly middle aged people looking nervous about walking around a council estate in broad daylight. Mind you, one of them was enthusiatic enough that he kept lagging behind while taking photos.
Oula
Voice of a Goddess Giant
Yes, I really enjoyed the tour. If any of you are the lady (Australian with glasses) who did our tour it was great. I was amazed at how long my 3 year old son lasted. He loved the bed up the ladder and the opportunity to run up and down all the stairs in the estate. Really very interesting and great to see.
gaijingirl
Well-Known Member
we very nearly bought a house on the estate some years ago - it was about 2 doors away from the park entrance behind Tescos. Moving up in the world from a flat on the Tulse Hill estate...
