299 old timer
Well-Known Member
Yes. And that is just one of a number of reasons why property prices have spiralled out of control
Lambeth's plans to demolish Cressingham Gardens and other estates without the consent of residents
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Yes. And that is just one of a number of reasons why property prices have spiralled out of control
technical
stripey
Compared to historical build rates, there is no doubt it is a lot. When you compare how many houses we need nationally to how many have been built annually in the past, we have very little hope of catching up in the short to medium term.
The point I was trying to make is that while Lambeth are quite rightly getting stick for the way they've gone about this, they're also caught in the middle of much wider trends. Not least a Govt ideologically obsessed with increasing home ownership rather than increasing housing supply.
The point I was trying to make is that while Lambeth are quite rightly getting stick for the way they've gone about this, they're also caught in the middle of much wider trends. Not least a Govt ideologically obsessed with increasing home ownership rather than increasing housing supply.
editor
hiraethified
Wriggle, squirm and wriggle:
“You’re not taking this very well, are you?” Cllr Bennett takes a Cressingham bruising on BBC London
“You’re not taking this very well, are you?” Cllr Bennett takes a Cressingham bruising on BBC London
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Fingers
From Tuscany SE22
On the ball. Nice one!
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
What really needs to be considered is the total cost wasted on the first consultation that was deemed unlawful, the second consultation to come, and then the associated court costs spent in trying to defend an unlawful case.
Don't forget that Lambeth Council is broke and can't afford to repair homes, only regenerate six estates.
This is interesting reading for a Friday night - £2m - £4m available for an outside organisation just to run the consultation for the regeneration of the Fenwick and Central Hill estates.
Don't forget that Lambeth Council is broke and can't afford to repair homes, only regenerate six estates.
This is interesting reading for a Friday night - £2m - £4m available for an outside organisation just to run the consultation for the regeneration of the Fenwick and Central Hill estates.
bimble
floofy
Mr Bennet will be at Pop this afternoon, if you felt like a face to face chat.
Another Lambeth is Possible
bimble
floofy
Amazing amount of money that..
Especially notable the bit that says whoever gets the contract will need "to take responsibility for maintaining communication with residents". They really do not want to do their own dirty work.
Mr Bennet will be at Pop this afternoon, if you felt like a face to face chat.
Another Lambeth is Possible
I am sitting knee deep in an impossible pile of marking for Monday. But I hope some others will be down there to have a pop at him and report back.
Robert Langtry
Member
Tricky Skills, don't know how you dug that one out. Excellent work. Lets put together a team and bid for the Contract! We could really 'influnce' (not using the word I want to use) them.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
A piece of ungracious crap from a piece of ungracious crap arrived by post today.
Yep, that's me really cowed and put in my place!
Yep, that's me really cowed and put in my place!
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Just FOI'd Lambeth asking for quantification of the "design flaws" mentioned, and for them to indicate which properties manifest these flaws.
brixtonblade
Well-Known Member
Are they legally obliged to do work on the estate to meet the housing standard? Am wondering if delays will make them do work which would then reduce the incremental cost of any refurb.
They sort of are. The paving and weathertight repairs fall under that, and they've been very grudgingly botched after long delays.
Tricky Skills
Well-Known Member
Very decent piece in The Graun today.
bimble
floofy
Lambeth Council advertises £2m-£4m estate regeneration contract after unlawful Cressingham consultation farce
So "Third Way ‘urban regeneration’ company"..
That's a sector now? Like an industry where in house they do consultations which get the desired results and have legal advisors as well as surveyors and contacts in the construction industry in Singapore etc?
Google says yes but not in London : Urban Regeneration Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
So "Third Way ‘urban regeneration’ company"..
That's a sector now? Like an industry where in house they do consultations which get the desired results and have legal advisors as well as surveyors and contacts in the construction industry in Singapore etc?
Google says yes but not in London : Urban Regeneration Company - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Crispy
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That article is misleading. The £2-4m contract is not just for consultation, it's for a full range of architectural and city planning services, through to planning permission. The winner of the contract will either carry out this work themselves, or novate the existing design teams as subcontractors.
It's not an outrageous amount of money at all, given the scope of the job.
Whether the job is worth doing in the first place is a much more interesting question.
It's not an outrageous amount of money at all, given the scope of the job.
Whether the job is worth doing in the first place is a much more interesting question.
bimble
floofy
Not sure you're right.
2-4 million fee doesn't seem to include the actual design proposals, just the task of pushing them through the hoops (getting planning sorted, making sure the 'consultation' goes well)?
"It is proposed that either the existing design teams will be novated across to the appointed development managers or new design teams will be procured. If new design teams are to be procured then the intention is they would be procured as a sub-consultant to the development manager." The unclarity on this might explain why it's '2 to 4' million, quite a big gap of uncertainty for a skint council.
Publication
bimble
floofy
Yes, up to 2 million quid I suppose? Bargain.
Crispy
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About right for a scheme of this size. RIBA pay scale ~5% of construction costs, which will probably be ~£100m given the size of the scheme. Depending on how far into detailed design they want to go and you get somewhere between half and 3/4 of that, eg £2.5-3.75m
Plenty of things to criticise Lambeth for when it comes to their housing strategy, but the fees offered for design & planning services are not one of them.
Crispy
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That's something I'm less well informed about. No idea how common this is, but I bet it's been going on for decades, to some degree.
I suspect there are two factors at work:
1. With operational budgets squeezed tight, councils can't afford to maintain a dedicated staff (on nice public sector contracts) for such things. But if they can include them as part of a contract for a project that's projected to return a profit to the council, they can write off the cost.
2. It allows them to keep the pesky public and their inconvenient opinions at arms reach.
bimble
floofy
In our recent adventure here in LJ we were told (as excuse / explanation) that lambeth no longer has such a thing as a 'communications department' due to recent cuts, it was just sacked.
Crispy
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Doesn't surprise me. The cuts are deep and savage.
bimble
floofy
"we’ve already saved £90m in the past three years, mainly by cutting a quarter of our staff .."
Lambeth's budget challenge | Lambeth Council
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Not going to ask who here is called Joanne Parkes but
Don't think Jo posts here.
