Lambeth votes Yes to AV

[Andrew Hertford]

No great surprise there. I can't say I know anyone in brix who voted no.

Surprised at how fucking pig ignorant the rest of the country is though.

Nicely said! Up here in the sticks not only did the tories manage to get almost a clean sweep of the councils but they managed to get a 72% no vote as well where I live.

Some of the massive banners or placards they put in fields, usually by main roads, which a decade ago declared we should "Keep Britain Hunting" or "No to the EU", this time had "No to AV" on them. Ironically last year some of the same placrds were urging us to "Vote for Change, Vote Conservative."

 

[fractionMan]

Yes, it's because we're all thick provincials. That's it.

 

[butchersapron]

Nicely said! Up here in the sticks not only did the tories manage to get almost a clean sweep of the councils but they managed to get a 72% no vote as well where I live.

Some of the massive banners or placards they put in fields, usually by main roads, which a decade ago declared we should "Keep Britain Hunting" or "No to the EU", this time had "No to AV" on them. Ironically last year some of the same placrds were urging us to "Vote for Change, Vote Conservative."

...and a third. You're out.

 

[past caring]

It's so unfair that all these thick cunts that voted no get to dictate to the rest of us. I'm not sure they should get to vote at all if they haven't the intelligence to use that vote wisely.

 

[fractionMan]

Perhaps if we stopped them breeding in the first place?

 

[past caring]

 

[frogwoman]

No great surprise there. I can't say I know anyone in brix who voted no.

Surprised at how fucking pig ignorant the rest of the country is though. Reminiscent of Americans protesting against Obama's healthcare reforms.

'No, we don't want free healthcare, we want to be fucked up the arse by insurance companies!'

=

'No, we don't want a fairer system of electing the people that rule us, we want labour or the tories to be in government forever!'

Nuts.

Oh god lol.

 

[frogwoman]

Perhaps if we stopped them breeding in the first place?

Why do you hate freedom?

 

[frogwoman]

Nicely said! Up here in the sticks not only did the tories manage to get almost a clean sweep of the councils but they managed to get a 72% no vote as well where I live.

Some of the massive banners or placards they put in fields, usually by main roads, which a decade ago declared we should "Keep Britain Hunting" or "No to the EU", this time had "No to AV" on them. Ironically last year some of the same placrds were urging us to "Vote for Change, Vote Conservative."

we must kill them, take over their countries and convert them to christianity.

Progress

 

[ViolentPanda]

'No, we don't want a fairer system of electing the people that rule us, we want labour or the tories to be in government forever!'

Nuts.

However often I have asked people to quantify how AV is a "fairer system", I haven't been given a satisfactory answer. Can you do so?

The Jenkins report found that AV would do as much to entrench the current main parties as FPTP does. Are you saying that you know more than the late "Woy" Jenkins, or have you thought up a new angle that he missed?

 

[past caring]

Perhaps if we stopped them breeding in the first place?

I'm not sure I'd go that far - but I do think there's a genuine case for making sure that these people don't pass on such socially irresponsible attitudes to their offspring. Perhaps adoption/fostering might be the answer?

 

[frogwoman]

Or mandatory education classes.

 

[gabi]

However often I have asked people to quantify how AV is a "fairer system", I haven't been given a satisfactory answer. Can you do so?

The Jenkins report found that AV would do as much to entrench the current main parties as FPTP does. Are you saying that you know more than the late "Woy" Jenkins, or have you thought up a new angle that he missed?

It will result in more coalition governments. Thats a positive, not a negative. I've lived in countries with AV and MMP and despite some teething probs when it was first introduced it results in a far more balanced government with the likes of the Greens actually having some say and putting the brakes on some policies...

Masterfully done by the Tories though, attracting even mental armchair urban75 anarchists to their side

 

[Belushi]

Jesus Christ they're still not getting why they were slaughtered in the polls are they

 

[butchersapron]

Jesus Christ they're still not getting why they were slaughtered in the polls are they

People like scabby never will - despite thinking they're the voice of the common man.

 

[Andrew Hertford]

However often I have asked people to quantify how AV is a "fairer system", I haven't been given a satisfactory answer. Can you do so?

The Jenkins report found that AV would do as much to entrench the current main parties as FPTP does. Are you saying that you know more than the late "Woy" Jenkins, or have you thought up a new angle that he missed?

You mean you haven't been given an answer that you find satisfactory.

Now where have I heard that before?

 

[butchersapron]

You mean you haven't been given an answer that you find satisfactory.

Now where have I heard that before?

Why did you lose the vote Andrew?

 

[butchersapron]

You mean you haven't been given an answer that you find satisfactory.

Now where have I heard that before?

Yes, i think that's what he means. Well divined.

 

[toblerone3]

Areas which voted Yes to AV tended to be areas populated by the Chattering Classes which includes Urban as the Lambeth result and the close call poll on Urban suggests.

 

[Dheffo]

I think we need to preserve every aspect of life, except for the part where we benefit from becoming richer and fatter, because that's all that matters, right?

Change is bad.

*lol*

 

[frogwoman]

I think I will cut off my right leg. We all need to move with the times and it will make a change.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It will result in more coalition governments. Thats a positive, not a negative. I've lived in countries with AV and MMP and despite some teething probs when it was first introduced it results in a far more balanced government with the likes of the Greens actually having some say and putting the brakes on some policies...

Well, that depends on the formulation of AV, doesn't it?
And while minor representation sometimes occurs, often it's on no greater scale than is gained through FPTP.

As for "more coalitions", if the coalitions are in the main between the three main parties, all of which are fully paid-up members of the neo-liberal club, what the sod difference will coalition make, beyond "window-dressing" the same set of policies to appeal to two or more sets of voters rather than one? It's not like we'll even get rid of swing constituencies.

Masterfully done by the Tories though, attracting even mental armchair urban75 anarchists to their side

Should have expected cheap jibes from a no-mark who can't even answer the question I asked. More coalition governments don't make AV fairer or better, they merely make it different than what we already have, unless you're the sort of idiot who assumes "new" means "better".

 

[fractionMan]

Voting NO is so negative.

 

[ViolentPanda]

You mean you haven't been given an answer that you find satisfactory.

No, I mean that I haven't been given an answer that is satisfactory in explaining objectively how AV is "fairer" than FPTP.

It's all very well to rattle on about the extremely minor differences that AV has over FPTP, but as for the AV system being quantitatively fairer than FPTP, I've seen bog all.

Now where have I heard that before?

In those fantasies you have where you've actually presented a decent argument in favour of AV, perhaps?

 

[frogwoman]

why do you hate freedom vp?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Voting NO is so negative.

I know. Just call me Mr Negativity!

 

[ViolentPanda]

why do you hate freedom vp?

Jealousy, obviously.

I'm jealous of the freedom that gabi and Andrew Hertford have to make simplistic arguments that they're unwilling or unable to support except by recourse to saying "it's fairer!". It's to do with me being old-fashioned, and liking arguments to be well-made, I expect. A lot of us middle-aged folk are terribly freedom-hating.

 

[ericjarvis]

You mean you haven't been given an answer that you find satisfactory.

Now where have I heard that before?

No. I have seen no explanation of why AV is fairer that is anything other than entirely subjective. The argument basically seems to be that the AV system allows you to have a vote for a smaller party that will be less likely to be elected than under FPTP, whilst also having a vote for a mainstream party. Which basically means that under AV you can be less likely to get what you actually want but also less likely to get the worst option. I can see that as a reasonable POV for a pessimist, but I don't see how it's "fairer".

 

[Gramsci]

Masterfully done by the Tories though, attracting even mental armchair urban75 anarchists to their side

Thanks for the compliment.

 

[embree]

AV - allows you to register a pointless vote for a small party, then the big one that you hate gets in anyway

Great