Labour leadership

[brogdale]

Right, and I do that...?

No laptop or phone...telekinesis?

 

[ViolentPanda]

the longer he conceals his phd thesis - it's been more than 20 years now - the longer these rumours will have life.

...And the deeper the self-loathing will grow.

So that's okay, then! "All's well that ends well"!

 

[ViolentPanda]

No laptop or phone...telekinesis?

Isn't that what happens when you phone a kinesiologist?

 

[Pickman's model]

Anyways - you will all be pleased to know that my laptop is buggered and I was just mugged an hour or so ago on Hampstead Heath with the fuckers making off with my phone so you won't be hearing from me on any regular basis for a little while.

missed this befote. whereabouts on the heath were you? bet it was down by south end green.

 

[phildwyer]

...And the deeper the self-loathing will grow.

So that's okay, then! "All's well that ends well"!

At least I'm not an ameliorationist.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Yeah, huge apologies, I obviously will do immediately as I don't meet your criteria for being able to engage in any 'serious discussion'. I'll also makes sure to pass that on to anyone I know that's involved in political struggles that also doesn't meet your criteria.

You're an activist, he's a flaneur. Why would you meet his criteria. He's an academic observer, and you're a do-er. Just give him a two-finger salute!

 

[Buckaroo]

...And the deeper the self-loathing will grow.

So that's okay, then! "All's well that ends well"!

That ended well!

 

[ViolentPanda]

Why do they not go together?

The clue is in the words "personal liberty".

 

[phildwyer]

You're an activist, he's a flaneur.

While you are a wankeur.

 

[treelover]

Owen, this really excellent and useful. I agree with almost everything you say. I think there is an omission in your analysis of how this came about though. Firstly there was an awful lot of work done behind the scenes, much of it online via Red Labour in particular. For 5 years, we have been building the case for working within the Labour Party broadly and inclusively – and to draw the strands of the Labour left together to begin to at least punch our weight. The main effect of Red Labour has been to rebuild confidence in ourselves, though, and to reject the idea that we have to accept defeat and dismal compromise. That process, which you have led, shouldn’t be underestimated – and in my opinion, it laid the groundwork for the Corbyn campaign. The MP nominations themselves didn’t happen by magic, there was a huge, efficiently organised grassroots campaign which was co-ordinated via the channels we’d set up. It has also been a bridge to the Corbyn campaign proper – witness the enormously successful #JezWeCan social media campaign. All this can never be a substitute for real, on-the-ground organisation, but it can help hugely. Ultimately, we still have the same fights to fight as you helpfully outline in your “challenges” section, but we have found a democratic tool to fight them – and we shouldn’t underestimate its power.

Owen, this really excellent and useful.

This is interesting if correct, a reply from Red Labour to Owen Jones's article on medium.com

 

[Diamond]

missed this befote. whereabouts on the heath were you? bet it was down by south end green.

Interesting you mention that because that was where the Met and the Heath Constabulary first mentioned. I'm pretty sure I was followed all the way from Parliament Hill, which is close to South End Green, I think, up to a path towards Kenwood House where they jumped me in a shady wooded area. It wasn't too bad - they threatened me with a knife that never actually appeared and I suspect did not actually exist but I wasn't going to take my chances.

They only made off with the phone though so it could have been worse.

Still lost a lot of data which is very frustrating.

 

[Pickman's model]

This is interesting if correct, a reply from Red Labour to Owen Jones article on medium.com

why do you think it may be incorrect?

 

[Pickman's model]

Interesting you mention that because that was where the Met and the Heath Constabulary first mentioned. I'm pretty sure I was followed all the way from Parliament Hill, which is close to South End Green, I think, up to a path towards Kenwood House where they jumped me in a shady wooded area. It wasn't too bad - they threatened me with a knife that never actually appeared and I suspect did not actually exist but I wasn't going to take my chances.

They only made off with the phone though so it could have been worse.

Still lost a lot of data which is very frustrating.

bet you take the opportunity for an upgrade

 

[Diamond]

bet you take the opportunity for an upgrade

I've been due an upgrade for almost a year actually but have been too lazy to pursue it.

They must have realised pretty quickly that they had pilfered a useless Samsung S3 held together with gaffer tape and I wouldn't be surprised if it's now in some Hampstead bin which makes it all the more annoying...

 

[treelover]

 

[Sue]

No laptop or phone...telekinesis?

Okay, who was it..?

 

[Pickman's model]

I've been due an upgrade for almost a year actually but have been too lazy to pursue it.

They must have realised pretty quickly that they had pilfered a useless Samsung S3 held together with gaffer tape and I wouldn't be surprised if it's now in some Hampstead bin which makes it all the more annoying...

you should have pointed out its shortcomings

 

[ViolentPanda]

I already have my fire starting proficiency badge from the Girl Guides and a E grade in GCSE Classical Civilisation. What other exam certificates could I ever possibly need?

I would have that rescuing a brick from the bottom of a swimming pool one as well, but I had a nasty cold the day of the test.

I was always vaguely disappointed with my "lifesaver" certificate, because of only saving that bloody rubber brick.

 

[treelover]

Colchester this afternoon, a squaddie town if I recall, He should have a rally in Witney, park his tanks on Cameron's turf.

 

[Pickman's model]

what's that then?

 

[Pickman's model]

Colchester this afternoon, a squaddie town if I recall.

didn't you say that just the other day?

 

[Pickman's model]

I was always vaguely disappointed with my "lifesaver" certificate, because of only saving that bloody rubber brick.

should have left it there to drown

 

[magneze]

Is treelover stalking JC?

 

[Diamond]

you should have pointed out its shortcomings

It was hardly the time for a reasoned debate...

Although, having said that, I was once mugged at knife point in East Dulwich a very long time ago and, after the mugger demanded that we beg for our lives with a knife pointed at our heads, he subsequently asked me to perform fellatio on my friend at which point my friend resisted and asked on a sociological basis why this was necessary which triggered a quite polite debate, in the circumstances, as to why he was threatening us with a knife.

He ran off after about 5-10 minutes of this.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Anyways - you will all be pleased to know that my laptop is buggered and I was just mugged an hour or so ago on Hampstead Heath with the fuckers making off with my phone so you won't be hearing from me on any regular basis for a little while.

Sorry to hear you were robbed.
Intrigued to hear you'd sodomised your laptop, though.

 

[phildwyer]

Although, having said that, I was once mugged at knife point in East Dulwich a very long time ago and, after the mugger demanded that we beg for our lives with a knife pointed at our heads, he subsequently asked me to perform fellatio on my friend at which point my friend resisted and asked on a sociological basis why this was necessary

What was his reply?

 

[ViolentPanda]

While you are a wankeur.

Hmm, everyone is a wanker, phil.

 

[Pickman's model]

Is treelover stalking JC?

boring more than stalking

 

[Pickman's model]

Hmm, everyone is a wanker, phil.

sorry to see dwyer can't spell the word

 

[Diamond]

What was his reply?

He went on for a while about how mugging was the only way that he could get any money - perhaps true - and how he was not a bad person and that this was all just necessary from a structural point of view.

He was not able to justify the attempt at forced sexual violence though and, probably because my friend increasingly pressed home on this point with some insistence, he dashed off in the end.