Labour leadership

[andysays]

Diamond *and* phildwyer on one thread.

If only we could get them both confined to the same thread (preferably an otherwise unimportant one, obvs) and just leave the two of them to it...

 

[ViolentPanda]

Ameliaonanist - wanking to make things a bit more bearable.

(((((Amelia)))))

 

[phildwyer]

Wow, your posts constantly stun me with what an arrogant nasty prick you seem to be. I really hope for anyone you know that this is just an internet personality rather than your real self.

Since you apparently have nothing substantive to contribute to our discussion I suggest that you absent yourself therefrom, forthwith.

 

[Diamond]

No you don't. If you really think that you do, then it says a lot about the depth of your political ignorance.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

p.s. Libertarian social democrat is an oxymoron unless you empty libertarian and/or social democracy of all their historic content regarding freedom and the state.

Thanks for telling me what I think.

 

[ViolentPanda]

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That's "campanology".

 

[Diamond]

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Because nobody was addressing their needs; because at best in our electoral arithmetic, no one felt the need to, and at worst they could actually see benefit in marginalizing, vilifying and demonizing some of those needs and the people experiencing them.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

Have you got any evidence to back this up?

 

[campanula]

Wow, your posts constantly stun me with what an arrogant nasty prick you seem to be. I really hope for anyone you know that this is just an internet personality rather than your real self.

There is a fair bit of prickery and fuckery on P&P (which is why I huddle over on surburban with the cooks and gardeners unless feeling brave or ranty)

 

[ViolentPanda]

Thanks for telling me what I think.

He didn't. He told you that the opinion you expressed was factually incorrect unless you altered the meanings of the definitions involved.

 

[LDC]

Yeah, huge apologies, I obviously will do immediately as I don't meet your criteria for being able to engage in any 'serious discussion'. I'll also makes sure to pass that on to anyone I know that's involved in political struggles that also doesn't meet your criteria.

 

[Diamond]

And for no reason whatsoever other than a need to get it off my chest and say out loud - 'Diamond is a prick'. I have never felt it necessary to publicly state my disdain for another poster, not even the interminably annoying (and mysteriously absent) BA...but really, Diamond just takes the award for overweening pomposity and a severe lack of originality, imagination or even a smidgeon of self-awareness - no doubt he will be smirking at this reference as proof of his own self importance.

eta - I would probably find him amusing if he was 17...

Thank you very much - that means a great deal to me.

 

[Pickman's model]

Diamond *and* phildwyer on one thread.

k i s s i n g

 

[ViolentPanda]

Have you got any evidence to back this up?

Bit of a bare-faced cheek,you asking OTHERS for evidence.

 

[Diamond]

Niche thinking? it's mainstream. Discuss neoliberalism seriously with anyone who knows what they're talking about in the last 30 years, and they'll know exactly what you mean, unless they're pretending to knowledge they don't have.



You tell me. I'm not here to do research for you.
I will tell you what you'll find, though. You'll find that if you weigh the pros and cons of each "prospectus", then apart from '97 (which had several "left-friendly" policies that were then set aside, such as abolition of JSA and its' replacement with a more "humane" benefit), it all turns out to be much of a muchness.


It wasn't, sadly, a case of not having the stones, but a political calculation offered by Labour's "brains trust", including the likes of David Miliband, Ed Balls and Lord Mandelson, to look dignified. The cost of their party's dignity was power.



Categorically, eh?
Lets put those descriptions in categorical terms:

"Libertarian" - one who follows and/or promotes a doctrine of personal liberty.

"Social democratic" - pertaining to a politico-economic system that promotes a utilitarian democracy across society.

The two don't really go together, even in a liberalistic social democracy.

Why do they not go together?

 

[Pickman's model]

Since you apparently have nothing substantive to contribute to our discussion I suggest that you absent yourself therefrom, forthwith.

strange, your having nothing to contribute never stops you.

 

[phildwyer]

Yeah, huge apologies, I obviously will do immediately as I don't meet your criteria for being able to engage in any 'serious discussion'.

Oh alright, you can stay. Provided you first take the required Qualifying Examination. Are you ready?

 

[ViolentPanda]

k i s s i n g

Wouldn't a better rhyme to "dwyer and Diamond on the same thread" be "stabbing each other till both are dead"?

 

[Pickman's model]

Bit of a bare-faced cheek,you asking OTHERS for evidence.

it reminds him he has the honour to put llb after his name

 

[ViolentPanda]

dwyer's the one thinking of putting the noose round someone's neck

His own?

 

[campanula]

What form would you like this 'evidence' to take?

 

[Pickman's model]

His own?

too much to hope for

 

[LDC]

Oh alright, you can stay. Provided you first take the required Qualifying Examination. Are you ready?

I already have my fire starting proficiency badge from the Girl Guides and a E grade in GCSE Classical Civilisation. What other exam certificates could I ever possibly need?

I would have that rescuing a brick from the bottom of a swimming pool one as well, but I had a nasty cold the day of the test.

 

[Diamond]

Anyways - you will all be pleased to know that my laptop is buggered and I was just mugged an hour or so ago on Hampstead Heath with the fuckers making off with my phone so you won't be hearing from me on any regular basis for a little while.

 

[ViolentPanda]

it reminds him he has the honour to put llb after his name

GDL too, and BA.

Do you bother with any of yours?

 

[phildwyer]

I already have my fire starting proficiency badge from the Girl Guides and a E grade in GCSE Classical Civilisation. What other exam certificates could I ever possibly need?

I'll be the judge of that.

Now, in 2,000 words or more discuss the probable impact on dairy farming in Matabeleland of a Nabaningi Sithole victory in the 1980 Rhodesian election.

 

[Pickman's model]

GDL too, and BA.

Do you bother with any of yours?

no. you can tell a lot about a man who puts an alphabet of letters after his name, and none of it good.

 

[Diamond]

no. you can tell a lot about a man who puts an alphabet of letters after his name, and none of it good.

Right, and I do that...?

 

[ViolentPanda]

Wow, your posts constantly stun me with what an arrogant nasty prick you seem to be. I really hope for anyone you know that this is just an internet personality rather than your real self.

He disguises his essential misanthropy by pretending to have been posturing/joking/engaging in banter, but beneath the surface lurks a person completely uncomfortable in his own skin, projecting his self-loathing for...some past academic crime, probably...onto others.

Total and utter "text book case", really.

 

[Pickman's model]

Right, and I do that...?

not sure you need the ellipsis or question mark.

 

[Pickman's model]

He disguises his essential misanthropy by pretending to have been posturing/joking/engaging in banter, but beneath the surface lurks a person completely uncomfortable in his own skin, projecting his self-loathing for...some past academic crime, probably...onto others.

Total and utter "text book case", really.

the longer he conceals his phd thesis - it's been more than 20 years now - the longer these rumours will have life.

 

[ViolentPanda]

There is a fair bit of prickery and fuckery on P&P (which is why I huddle over on surburban with the cooks and gardeners unless feeling brave or ranty)

And, to be fair, dwyer is such a prick that people the world around know to say"fuck off, dwyer" when he starts rectally pontificating.