weltweit
Well-Known Member
The vest was not a good look, if it is gone then good but I fear it was still present, just hidden under a shirt that was buttoned to a higher level than previous ones had been.No vest? Fucking sell out.
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Looby
Well-Known Member
Who gives a fucking shit whether he wears a vest?
weltweit
Well-Known Member
Indeed, who .. these guys weren't going to vote for him anyhow
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...est-in-makeover-as-he-prepares-for-power.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-1-50-vest-creased-shirts-style-makeover.html
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
He's a career politician, of course he wants it. You can bet he's happy as larry to find the spotlight again in what he must have assumed to be the twilight of his career. He just doesn't have that gleam of unnatural lust the others have in their eyes
Looby
Well-Known Member
You obviously cared enough to comment.
I'm not clicking Mail and Torygraph links to see a load of pointless crap from papers with an agenda against him.
Cid
Proper break this time
Which left wing politics would those be then?
andysays
Love and solidarity
Given that the Miliband proposals for electing future Labour leaders were overwhelming approved by the party, it clearly is right and proper that they are now followed, unless you're ssuggesting that some group within the party should over-rule that decision at the eleventh hour.
I suspect what you mean is do people think it will benefit the Labour Party's chances at the next election or something similar, which is a quite different question, and although you've now returned to ranting about left wing politics being sunk for a generation, you've still neglected to come up with anything resembling a coherent argument for why you're claiming this
Cid
Proper break this time
To win an election with left wing politics requires left wing politics.
The reforms are legitimate. That is clear.
In exactly the same way that it is now clear that Miliband was one of the most abysmal leaders that Labour have ever had.
And now the argument is to continue this?
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
I suspect Diamond is confusing left politics with liberal politics.
Cid
Proper break this time
Counterfactual and irrelevant.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You've got it the wrong way round. Ed Miliband gave this all to the Labour right as a gift, they were the ones clamouring for a US style open primary as a way of diluting the influence of trade unions.
They just don't want to eat what they have asked for now that it is going against them.
JHE
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I'm not so sure. I think the media could have decided that the elder brother was a right weirdo, just as they did with Ed, and with the same bad press, the same problems in Scotland (or worse), the same attraction of UKIP, the same distrust of Labour on immigration, the same inability to get half-hearted supporters out to vote, the same half-plausible claims that the Tories had been vindicated on the economy etc... it could all have ended up just as it did in fact end up. What special talent or strategy did David have that would have led to a Labour victory?
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
You are vacuous, your politics are vacuous too
Vintage Paw
dead stare and computer glare
My Tory/UKIP-voting FiL this afternoon had only good things to say about Corbyn. He said he's taking Labour back to what it should always have been and these New Labour idiots are the ones who don't belong, etc. Was quite surprised to hear that from him. I doubt he's alone in that view, in his demographic. Whether that translates to a Labour vote is another matter, of course...
andysays
Love and solidarity
Is there any chance, even a small one, that you can make whatever point you're trying to make in a coherent way rather than just jumping around spouting nonsense which doesn't make any sense, either on the level of meaning what you think it means, or which has some foundation in fact and/or logic?
You've just gone back on your previous claim about it not being right and proper for the election to be conducted in the agreed way, and you're immediately throwing in a claim that Miliband was one of the most abysmal leaders that Labour have ever had (debatable but not really relevant) and the assertion that choosing Corbyn would be continuing this.
You really don't know what you're fucking on about, do you?
andysays
Love and solidarity
But unfortunately not enough of those who mattered had your marvellous insight...
andysays
Love and solidarity
It's far more fundamental than that, Diamond is confusing himself with someone who has something worthwhile to say, and the rest of us with idiots who have nothing better to do than listen in awe to his pearls of wisdom.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
Blair himself came out early doors and said that even if it was possible to be elected on an anti austerity/leftish/whatever platform he would not want it. Thats naked ideological reasoning over electability right there. Even if it were possible, he'd rather the party stayed in opposition.Corbyn has been elected by his constituents consistently and has spent most of his adult life in elected positions. I don't buy this 'unelectable' stuff. I'm not making any predictions but to rule it out completely on the basis of...of what? The editorials in the broadsheets and what nick robinson recons? If this last year or two in wider europe and england/scotland/wales/NI have proven anything its that nothings a dead cert anymore except the dead cert of pearl clutching horror from the establishment.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
Real leftwing politics? you mean this sort of thing?
Lord Mandelson greets billionaire David Geffen on the Rising Sun super yacht in Corfu
free spirit
more tea vicar?
Unpopular bastard that Corbyn.... I wonder what the equivalent numbers would be for the others.
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Do you think that if the party (as they did) changed the rules - to very little protest - that it is right and proper to not hold a £3 newcomer to be equivalent in voting rights and power to an established member?
agricola
a genuine importer of owls
Doubtful - his chance was about a year before that when he could have headed up the "ditch Gordon" movement from government, called a snap election and seen off enough of Cameron and Clegg to not lose as badly as Gordon did. That he blew that chance, then lost to his brother, and then ran off in a sulk suggests that he actually would not have been the great leader that is claimed.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
Mostly, ringpieces looking for excuses not to vote for him that don't make them look like reactionary arsewipes.
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