Labour leadership

[Humberto]

IIRC the current neocon justification for WMDs is that ISIS has used chemical weapons therefore Saddam must have had them thereby justifying the Iraq War

As I'm sure you know but I'll point it out what they are talking about is apparently degraded stuff leftover from the Iran-Iraq war. No evidence of "pursuing WMDs" in 2003 as the warmongers claimed.

 

[Rob Ray]

It's like a Blairite bereavement this, first we had denial, then there was anger, now it's bargaining.

Labour’s most senior MPs are to put an extraordinary deal to Jeremy Corbyn to keep the party together ... they have agreed to give him 18 months ... They also want Labour’s new policies to be put to a vote of shadow ministers so nothing too extreme gets through.

So "do what we tell you for until the local elections in May, and then if you don't pull in a massive win we'll oust you" basically (as though the latter wasn't always their backup plan). Depression's next, my bet's on Anne Perkins' opening September column just being "we're dooooomed" written 800 times in green crayon.

 

[SpookyFrank]

How kind of them to allow their elected leader to run their party.

 

[treelover]

The overspill was massive, there were some who went on to the rally, but not many, hard to fathom all this.

 

[agricola]

The Labour Party under blair didn't do evidence and reason at all, it did gut instinct, focus groups and media opinion.

When the evidence / experts they consulted disagreed with their policies they over-ruled them and discredited them, as with Prof Nutt and the ACMD and drugs policy, and in the energy field where the government started with a comprehensive industry wide review of energy policy, devised policy from that basis, then scrapped that policy because it didn't support a new generation of nukes, and rewrote it themselves to support a new generation of nuclear power.

Corbyn's economic policies are widely supported by credible economists.

It was their opposition to the "reality-based community" that led to some of their most defining moments.

 

[sheothebudworths]

That fucking tone of JC, exuding calm - that's been my experience my whole life, of how you speak to people if you want to get on with them.

 

[DotCommunist]

That fucking tone of JC, exuding calm - that's been my experience my whole life, of how you speak to people if you want to get on with them.

thats the thing with the robotnik opposition and what we saw a lot of during Ed's ill-starred reign as well. You know the phrases they are repeating in interview or at pulpit. They've been circulating in print press and media for a week before hand. Jez also has the advantage of not looking so desperate to win. Earnest, pleased at his unexpected surge and so on yes. Irascible with bad interviewers? yes. But he doesn't look like he's desperate for it whereas the other three look like they'd kil your granny for a spot on the shadowthrone.

 

[sheothebudworths]

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[sheothebudworths]

Oh dear, oh dear etc

 

[killer b]

It's like a Blairite bereavement this, first we had denial, then there was anger, now it's bargaining.

Amazing stuff. They actually have no idea. Wft is this?

Labour insiders say Mr Corbyn has been able to outflank rivals Andy Burnham, Yvette Cooper and Liz Kendall by galvanising support from the People’s Assembly Against Austerity he helped to found in 2013.

if only the peoples assembly had such power...

 

[stethoscope]

Amazing stuff. They actually have no idea. Wft is this?

This!

 

[brogdale]

 

[teqniq]

Hadley Freeman is getting a bit of stick for

 

[Belushi]

That fucking tone of JC, exuding calm - that's been my experience my whole life, of how you speak to people if you want to get on with them.

In my experience it's how you really wind someone up, the angrier they get the calmer and more rational you play it

 

[J Ed]

Hadley Freeman is getting a bit of stick for

Liberals do love their 'everyone but me is an extremist' narrative, don't they?

 

[Rob Ray]

Liberals do love their 'everyone but me is an extremist' narrative, don't they?

It's pretty much their only narrative. Also equating righteous anger to "hysteria" - because no-one could possibly regard lying to Parliament to justify a war in which hundreds of thousands of people died and which saw human rights violations aplenty as "war crimes" or express their hatred of the man who enabled this while maintaining a clear head.

 

[Dogsauce]

Pull my finger mate...

 

[ViolentPanda]

I just hope that there is at least a little part of Blair which is frightened that this might be the beginning of a path which leads to him being put on trial for war crimes.

I honestly don't agree. I think that what actually worries him is that his political legacy - new Labour - will be shown to have been an unnecessary diversion into neoliberalism, and that he basically fucked over a chance of returning to a more social-democratically inclined economy and ideology in favour of tonguing capitalism's claggy rim.

 

[ViolentPanda]

"I only know what I believe."

The recourse of every buffoon whose reasoning is sufficiently addled as to think their belief has meaning to anyone except them.

 

[ViolentPanda]

IIRC the current neocon justification for WMDs is that ISIS has used chemical weapons therefore Saddam must have had them thereby justifying the Iraq War

Because, of course, Syria and Libya hadn't amassed caches of chemical munitions at the same time that Saddam did.

 

[agricola]

I honestly don't agree. I think that what actually worries him is that his political legacy - new Labour - will be shown to have been an unnecessary diversion into neoliberalism, and that he basically fucked over a chance of returning to a more social-democratically inclined economy and ideology in favour of tonguing capitalism's claggy rim.

Blair's political legacy can be summed up in much the same terms as Kleber summed up Napoleons' legacy in Egypt.

 

[youngian]

Wasn't the retired Bill Shankley barred from Anfield as he kept turning up to annoy the players and Bob Paisley about what they were doing wrong? Blair and Brown have no self-awareness. They are responsible for this talentless SPAD generation who cannot connect with anyone on a personal or political level.

 

[SpookyFrank]

IIRC the current neocon justification for WMDs is that ISIS has used chemical weapons therefore Saddam must have had them thereby justifying the Iraq War

Doesn't explain how US and UK forces couldn't find these chemical weapons despite a decade of searching, but a bunch of deranged beardies found them with no trouble at all

 

[Zabo]

Elsewhere in the media the 'Chief Political Correspondent' of The Vermingraph takes over the fashion pages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/pol...est-in-makeover-as-he-prepares-for-power.html

 

[magneze]

No vest? Fucking sell out.

 

[DotCommunist]

Hadley Freeman is getting a bit of stick for

she hasn't got a clue. Theres loads of people I grew up with who aren't 'the left' nor are they particularly giving a shit about politics in general but one thing they do know about the war is blairs a cunt cos he lied and took us to war. Its that simple. These guardian cunts- five minutes ago they were rimming the lib dems. Now its al about shoring up 'moderate' nulab against 'dangerouse extremist' corbyn

 

[Diamond]

How kind of them to allow their elected leader to run their party.

Do you think it is right and proper that the weight of a Labour £3 newcomer to be equivalent to that of an historic member?

 

[DotCommunist]

the party did, before votes looked to be going the wrong way.

 

[Diamond]

thats the thing with the robotnik opposition and what we saw a lot of during Ed's ill-starred reign as well. You know the phrases they are repeating in interview or at pulpit. They've been circulating in print press and media for a week before hand. Jez also has the advantage of not looking so desperate to win. Earnest, pleased at his unexpected surge and so on yes. Irascible with bad interviewers? yes. But he doesn't look like he's desperate for it whereas the other three look like they'd kil your granny for a spot on the shadowthrone.

He looks like he doesn't want to win or is not bothered about winning precisely because that is the case!

You may well take a different view but I, for one, would like to have an executive who wants the job and is prepared to accept the entirety of its mandate with proper enthusiasm.

 

[Diamond]

Anyway - all this is useless.

He will get the nomination and left wing politics - real politics, mind, not theoretical lamentations - will be sunk for a generation.