Labour & Anti-Semitism.

[danny la rouge]

Can you talk me through how it does that? I dont think Corbyn is saying anything in that clip that isn't mainstream Christian thought.

I think that’s Gentlegreen’s point. Corbyn didn’t get Christianity wrong at Easter, but he got Judaism wrong at Passover. Fair enough. But it’s still a stretch to locate it on this thread. Maybe more one for the other Corbyn thread. Not that it’s huge issue, other than it would be good to keep this thread for the important matter in hand.

 

[butchersapron]

I think that’s Gentlegreen’s point. Corbyn didn’t get Christianity wrong at Easter, but he got Judaism wrong at Passover. Fair enough. But it’s still a stretch to locate it on this thread. Maybe more one for the other Corbyn thread. Not that it’s huge issue, other than it would be good to keep this thread for the important matter in hand.

Looks to me like he's saying corbyn did get it wrong - that's why he's challenging what he said with OMG doesn't he know the new testament contradicts itself!!! I think it's more to do with watching an Ehrman video than anything else to do with labour...

 

[killer b]

I think that’s Gentlegreen’s point. Corbyn didn’t get Christianity wrong at Easter, but he got Judaism wrong at Passover. Fair enough. But it’s still a stretch to locate it on this thread. Maybe more one for the other Corbyn thread. Not that it’s huge issue, other than it would be good to keep this thread for the important matter in hand.

One of Labour's Twitter interns got Judaism wrong at passover tbf.

 

[danny la rouge]

One of Labour's Twitter interns got Judaism wrong at passover tbf.

Yeah. It was shorthand. And I was interpreting somebody else. Possibly incorrectly.

(I’d prefer not to discuss tweets at all, personally).

 

[killer b]

Yeah. It was shorthand.

(I’d prefer not to discuss tweets at all, personally).

Sure, me too. Although bizarrely the labour interns minor error was actually reported on a radio 4 news bulletin last week, so I guess it's not just us struggling with perspective.

 

[danny la rouge]

Sure, me too. Although bizarrely the labour interns minor error was actually reported on a radio 4 news bulletin last week, so I guess it's not just us struggling with perspective.

I’m working on perspective in life generally at the moment. It’s a process.

 

[gentlegreen]

it just struck me that in the version of the Nativity where the family DID have to take refuge in Egypt they did so with a shed load of gold and incense...

 

[killer b]

So you're wanting to make a fatuous point about christianity rather than about labour antisemitism? Gotcha.

 

[belboid]

But it’s still a stretch to locate it on this thread.

Most of this thread is a stretch to locate on this thread.

 

[danny la rouge]

You deleted at set of inverted commas, belboid

 

[treelover]

Labour MEP candidate 'regrets' suggesting antisemitism was being used to 'smear' Corbyn

A Labour candidate for the upcoming European elections has said he regrets suggesting the “Israeli lobby” manufactured the party’s antisemitism row.

Martin Mayer, a former member of Labour’s National Executive Committee (NEC) and retired transport worker, has reportedly been chosen to stand as an MEP for Yorkshire and the Humber.

The Sunday Telegraph reports Mr Mayer sent an email in 2016 titled: “How Israel lobby manufactured UK Labour party’s antisemitism crisis”.

In the email he reportedly wrote: “Labour’s Blairite right wing have used the smear of antisemitism to undermine Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership.”

Mr Mayer also included an email from Tony Greenstein, a Jewish anti-Zionist Labour activist, who was later expelled from the party over allegations of antisemitism.

Martin Mayer, Unite/Sheffield TUC/Labour MEP candidate(and decent guy) in trouble, regrets saying A/S used to smear Corbyn.

 

[Shechemite]

Most of this thread is a stretch to locate on this thread.

Move along, nothing to see here, right wing plot etc etc

EXCL Labour failed to act for 10 days over member who called for 'march on synagogue'

 

[teqniq]

Interesting timing.

Equality and Human Rights Commission launches full statutory investigation into the Labour Party following complaint by CAA

Equality body launches investigation of Labour antisemitism claims

 

[killer b]

It's only being announced now because it's after the election purdah.

 

[cantsin]

edit - wrong thread

 

[teqniq]

I think you may have posted this on the wrong thread.

 

[cantsin]

I think you may have posted this on the wrong thread.

lol, I think I did, ta !

 

[sleaterkinney]

Still a member of the NEC

 

[Jeff Robinson]

Still a member of the NEC

The first two of those claims are 100% true - there was an al-jazeera documentary about it. Not sure about the third one.

 

[killer b]

I've never watched that 'the lobby' doc, but know every bit of info in it in minute detail because every time someone says 'labour antisemitism' on the internet, someone else pastes a link to it underneath.

 

[agricola]

Willsman suspended - Labour suspends NEC member over antisemitism claims

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I've never watched that 'the lobby' doc, but know every bit of info in it in minute detail because every time someone says 'labour antisemitism' on the internet, someone else pastes a link to it underneath.

It's pretty pertinent in this context isn't it?

 

[cantsin]

Willsman suspended - Labour suspends NEC member over antisemitism claims

he had to be suspended after that - sounds f*cking unhinged.

On seperate, but obvs related note, can anyone on here point us to any kind of response to the Al Jaz doc . or debunk / defense of it, from anyone connected to LFI etc etc ? Have never seen anything said about it, and have had a quick search

 

[8ball]

Willsman suspended - Labour suspends NEC member over antisemitism claims

That's a nicely tangled ball of Anti-Semitism and Anti-Zionism and Anti-Israeli state things going on there - should be useful to a few people.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I don't see anything he said as either 'unhinged' or 'antisemitic'. At best, the comments were hyperbolic, the sort of expression that is to be expected in informal, private conversation. It's a fact that an Israeli diplomat did work with LFI to discredit MPs critical of Israel's state-terrorism against the Palestinian people. The fact that there has been *zero* fallout for MPs like Joan Ryan and Tom Watson - whose work as LFI members is essentially to sanitise brutal apartheid colonial violence and to discredit its vocal opponents - but an NEC member has been suspended for talking about this in an informal, private conversation in a slightly clumsy way, just shows how shallow and reactive "anti-racism" has become in the social media age.

Israeli diplomat caught on camera plotting to 'take down' UK MPs

 

[8ball]

I don't see anything he said as either 'unhinged' or 'antisemitic'. At best, the comments were hyperbolic, the sort of expression that is to be expected in informal, private conversation. It's a fact that an Israeli diplomat did work with LFI to discredit MPs critical of Israel's state-terrorism against the Palestinian people. The fact that there has been *zero* fallout for MPs like Joan Ryan and Tom Watson - whose work as LFI members is essentially to sanitise brutal apartheid colonial violence and to discredit its vocal opponents - but an NEC member has been suspended for talking about this in an informal, private conversation in a slightly clumsy way, just shows how shallow and reactive "anti-racism" has become in the social media age.

Israeli diplomat caught on camera plotting to 'take down' UK MPs

I didn’t mean the entirety of the tangled ball was contained in this man’s comments, but media discussion is going to be such.

Your point about the plausibility of infiltration is fair enough.

Edit: JFTR it wasn’t me that used the term “unhinged”, but the claim of anti-semitism is clearly part of the package.

 

[Jeff Robinson]

I didn’t mean the entirety of the tangled ball was contained in this man’s comments, but media discussion is going to be such.

Your point about the plausibility of infiltration is fair enough.

Edit: JFTR it wasn’t me that used the term “unhinged”.

Sorry for misinterpreting your point, my post a response to you and cantsin.

 

[8ball]

Sorry for misinterpreting your point, my post a response to you and cantsin.

Np - I just edited for clarity on that before seeing your response.

 

[pseudonarcissus]

At best, the comments were hyperbolic, the sort of expression that is to be expected in informal, private conversation.

When being interviewed by an author/journalist? A little discipline on “doing media” might not go amiss. The guy is plain stupid, whatever the rights and wrongs

 

[teqniq]

Jeremy Corbyn Likened To Hitler By Tory Leadership Candidate Matt Hancock


Here, essentially is what this is all about:

...In a highly personal attack, he said: “This contest is not about who is the leader for the next six months.

“This contest is about who is the leader for the next six years and beyond.

“The Conservative party has to get this right. If we don’t, we could end up with the first anti-Semitic leader of a Western nation since the Second World War.”...