Jesus Myth Theory

[CH1]

Just on this single point, we have accounts of Jesus from four people who claim to have known him personally, so by your reasoning, he's twice as likely to have existed as Socrates.

Which ones? None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts, and all are post the AD 70 destruction of the temple (which is why they predict it).

 

[Elpenor]

Oh fuck off with your pathetic trolling. Take a week off. I'm fed up with you disrupting threads with your inane, self-centred bullshit and lies.

This particular second coming hasn’t quite lived up to its billing has it

 

[editor]

This particular second coming hasn’t quite lived up to its billing has it

It's even worse than the eagerly awaited return of ern and that really is saying something. It's like paying money to see your favourite rock star who's come out of retirement only to discover they're totally out of shape, can't sing, murders all your most loved tunes and - worst of all - has adopted a whole slew of vile political beliefs and conspiracy theories.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Dwyer's religious nuttery is nothing new, though. He's always been a religious nut. See his interminable 'rational proof of god' thread.

 

[Santino]

See his interminable 'rational proof of god' thread.

Don't do this.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Don't do this.

If anyone has five hours they don't want back...

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Which ones? None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts, and all are post the AD 70 destruction of the temple (which is why they predict it).

All the doom and gloom 'prophesy' about the destruction of the temple has been adopted by weirdo evangelists to refer to the end of the world, last days, second coming stuff.

 

[danny la rouge]

Which ones? None of the gospels are eyewitness accounts, and all are post the AD 70 destruction of the temple (which is why they predict it).

The First Epistle of Peter was ostensibly, and many scholars believe may actually have been, written by Simon Peter, from Rome.

 

[DaveCinzano]

The First Epistle of Peter was ostensibly, and many scholars believe may actually have been, written by Simon Peter, from Rome.

Which was Paul Simon's then?

 

[danny la rouge]

Which was Paul Simon's then?

The First Epistle to Julio Down in the Schoolyard.

 

[Elpenor]

Which was Paul Simon's then?

You’re confusing Homeward Bound with Romeward Bound

 

[danny la rouge]

FAO Mrs Robinson,
Jesus loves you more than you will know

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

It's even worse than the eagerly awaited return of ern and that really is saying something. It's like paying money to see your favourite rock star who's come out of retirement only to discover they're totally out of shape, can't sing, murders all your most loved tunes and - worst of all - has adopted a whole slew of vile political beliefs and conspiracy theories.

Like an 80s/90s Smiths fan waking from a 30 year coma

 

[AverageJoe]

It's even worse than the eagerly awaited return of ern and that really is saying something. It's like paying money to see your favourite rock star who's come out of retirement only to discover they're totally out of shape, can't sing, murders all your most loved tunes and - worst of all - has adopted a whole slew of vile political beliefs and conspiracy theories.

Dwyer is Ian Brown??!!!

 

[CH1]

All the doom and gloom 'prophesy' about the destruction of the temple has been adopted by weirdo evangelists to refer to the end of the world, last days, second coming stuff.

Well if you read my earlier post mentioning SP Laurie you will see that this sort of weird thinking was around going back to the books of Daniel and Enoch.
Apparently (I haven't got my head round it yet) there is in Enoch the concept of the "Apocalypse of Weeks" which no doubt led to all the excitement by Darby (Dispensationalism, Plymouth Bretheren) and Miller (Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, and also of course Joseph Smith (Mormons).
Should anybody be interested there is a commentary here on the Animal Apocalypse - a key part of the First Book of Enoch

https://www.marquette.edu/maqom/tiller.pdf

All this stuff well predates Christ or the New Testament - but was highly influential in the New Testament construction.

First Book of Enoch | Summary, History, & Facts | Britannica

First Book of Enoch, pseudepigraphal work (not included in any canon of scripture) whose only complete extant version is an Ethiopic translation of a previous Greek translation made from the original Hebrew or Aramaic. It is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic.

www.britannica.com

 

[krtek a houby]

Dwyer's religious nuttery is nothing new, though. He's always been a religious nut. See his interminable 'rational proof of god' thread.

Heard of, but not seen.

 

[krtek a houby]

It's even worse than the eagerly awaited return of ern and that really is saying something. It's like paying money to see your favourite rock star who's come out of retirement only to discover they're totally out of shape, can't sing, murders all your most loved tunes and - worst of all - has adopted a whole slew of vile political beliefs and conspiracy theories.

It's disruptive shite. Out of phase with urban. What other dread beasts from ancient times are set to be unleashed upon the people?

 

[Elpenor]

Dwyer's religious nuttery is nothing new, though. He's always been a religious nut. See his interminable 'rational proof of god' thread.

Is a précis available or can I assume that “fuck off, Dwyer” covers the ground sufficiently?

 

[CH1]

Well if you read my earlier post mentioning SP Laurie you will see that this sort of weird thinking was around going back to the books of Daniel and Enoch.
Apparently (I haven't got my head round it yet) there is in Enoch the concept of the "Apocalypse of Weeks" which no doubt led to all the excitement by Darby (Dispensationalism, Plymouth Bretheren) and Miller (Seventh Day Adventists and Jehovah's Witnesses, and also of course Joseph Smith (Mormons).
Should anybody be interested there is a commentary here on the Animal Apocalypse - a key part of the First Book of Enoch

https://www.marquette.edu/maqom/tiller.pdf

All this stuff well predates Christ or the New Testament - but was highly influential in the New Testament construction.

First Book of Enoch | Summary, History, & Facts | Britannica

First Book of Enoch, pseudepigraphal work (not included in any canon of scripture) whose only complete extant version is an Ethiopic translation of a previous Greek translation made from the original Hebrew or Aramaic. It is a compilation of several separate works, most of which are apocalyptic.

www.britannica.com

William Blake, The Book of Enoch and Emmanuel Swedenborg
One significant feature of the book of Enoch is its angelology. This is the book with fallen angels, many angels named and their role in the "end times".
Blake seems to have been influenced by this text - but also by Swedenborg.
It seems unlikely Swedenborg knew the book of Enoch - which was discovered in Ethiopia in 1773 - the year after Swedenborg died.
So where did Swedenborg get all his visionary stuff from - and why did Blake, who was at first a follower of Swedenborg, later feel able to pick and choose from Swedenborg's smorgasbord of Heaven and Hell? In the Caves of Heaven and Hell: Swedenborg and Printmaking in Blake's Marriage [Part III of The Evolution of William Blake's The Marriage of Heaven and Hell]

 

[Ax^]

Oh fuck off with your pathetic trolling. Take a week off. I'm fed up with you disrupting threads with your inane, self-centred bullshit and lies.

the ciA finally got Dwyer

 

[kabbes]

Is a précis available or can I assume that “fuck off, Dwyer” covers the ground sufficiently?

“If you can imagine something, it must exist. QED.”

 

[Pickman's model]

It's disruptive shite. Out of phase with urban. What other dread beasts from ancient times are set to be unleashed upon the people?

the legendary braverman, like the jabberwocky only worse

 

[krtek a houby]

the ciA finally got Dwyer

Good

 

[Elpenor]

“If you can imagine something, it must exist. QED.”

Outstanding

 

[belboid]

Outstanding

an argument destroyed 1000 years ago by Gaunilo and, more recently, by Douglas Adams.

 

[bcuster]

Gaunilo’s reply to Anselm

An option for the defender of Anselm: claim that ... premise of Gaunilo’s argument is false, because the Lost Island cannot be conceived to exist in reality. An argument that the idea of a greatest possible island is incoherent in a way that the idea of a greatest possible being is not.

 

[belboid]

Gaunilo’s reply to Anselm

An option for the defender of Anselm: claim that ... premise of Gaunilo’s argument is false, because the Lost Island cannot be conceived to exist in reality. An argument that the idea of a greatest possible island is incoherent in a way that the idea of a greatest possible being is not.

that was Anselm's actual reply to Gaunilo, iirr. They were certainly roughly contemporaneous.

It's also a bloody rubbish reply.

 

[bcuster]

that was Anselm's actual reply to Gaunilo, iirr. They were certainly roughly contemporaneous.

It's also a bloody rubbish reply.

Yes, you are correct; which is why I italicized it. To me, Gaunilo's argument is just as bad as Anelm's reply...

 

[ouirdeaux]

Heard of, but not seen.

Sort of like God, then.

 

[belboid]

Yes, you are correct; which is why I italicized it. To me, Gaunilo's argument is just as bad as Anelm's reply...

but not as bad as Anselm's original?