jamaica - fastest nation on earth!!

[Jessiedog]

Duh! Of course you can use drugs to get strong without getting big - what do you think marathon runners use them for? Sprinters have to build short muscle fibre - which is bulky - and they use steroids to help them do it. There's a reason sprinters are huge when distance runners are stringy.

And ffs! Women can't build as much muscle as men, but Marion Jones was bigger than Usain Bolt.

I work with a biochemist who used to work in drug-testing. He reckons you can be 99% sure about a sprinter on the basis of physique alone. He told me Linford Christie was a cheat long before it came out. I didn't realise it was that simple before I met him - but he says it is. Bolt does not have the thighs of a body-builder.

I see.

So we're back to the: "paedophiles have goatees" argument.

Well, that one's been dealt with. You'll have to come up with something better, I'm afraid.



Woof

 

[Treacle Toes]

Well, there's been a conversation based on the absence of out of competition testing in Jamaica. Introducing stuff like "Kenyans, Ethiopians, Morrocans etc" without explanation suggests something less than a Bronze Medal in intellectual rigour.

Er...I give you 4th place for not having read me aknowledging the possibilities of something dodgey earlier in this thread....I was being sarcastic because with the arguments made on this thread every single athlete could be taking drugs....but until we catch them doing it, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

 

[ymu]

Just explain what out of season drugs would help a sprinter go faster without building muscle. Or how an endurance regimen would help a sprinter.

 

[Jessiedog]

You did Jessie, but it still doesn't prove anyone is up anything...I thought we had established that?

That's established.

But ymu seems unwilling to acknowledge that not all paedophiles have goatees, and that just seems silly - bound to wind people up.

I was being sarcastic because there is a massive scratch on this thread and it keeps jumping back to the same point.

I know.

Goatees!




Woof

 

[London_Calling]

....but until we catch them doing it, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

You should know the *we* thing doesn't work.

 

[Jessiedog]

Just explain what out of season drugs would help a sprinter go faster without building muscle.

Read the thread!




Woof

 

[Treacle Toes]

That's established.

But ymu seems unwilling to acknowledge that not all paedophiles have goatees, and that just seems silly - bound to wind people up.

Woof

*looks at BF*





*suggests he would look better clean shaven*

 

[ymu]

Read the thread!




Woof

So you don't know. You just feel sure that if a baseball pitcher or distance runner can gain benefit from an endurance regimen, a sprinter can as well.

No matter that Bolt is lanky compared to Christie or Johnson or even fucking Jones - fuck, he's lanky compared to any honest world-class sprinter, let alone the cheats - no, there must be some implausible out-of-season drug regimen he's using to get, erm, really really lanky.

 

[Jessiedog]

but until we catch them doing it, we have to give them the benefit of the doubt.

Just like Marion Jones, who still has never tested positive and yet received her first 4-year ban in 1992 (overturned with the help of Johnny Cochrane).

I disagree, Rutita. I think that given history, undetectable substances, an imbalance in the rigour of various countries O-O-C testing regimes and the HUGE incentives to win - knowing you will be competing against cheats - it makes sense to assume that everybody's doin' it.

As I quoted a pundit earlier on the thread.......

I just want to be able to trust what I’m seeing.

Right now, that is not possible.

It is a futile parlor game to guess who is or is not using illicit substances. Only one thing is certain, as I have written before: Not a single performance at the Olympics, nor in any other elite sport, can be believed with any certainty to have been achieved without banned performance-enhancing drugs.

It's time to stop all the drug-testing nonsense and just allow peeps to take what they want. At least then we'd have the comfort of knowing that it's a competition for chemists, not athletes - rather than just deeply suspecting this.





Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

So you don't know.

No.

And neither do you.

But the suspicions are valid.

No matter that Bolt is lanky compared to Christie or Johnson or even fucking Jones - fuck, he's lanky compared to any honest world-class sprinter, let alone the cheats - no, there must be some implausible out-of-season drug regimen he's using to get, erm, really really lanky.

Move along please.

No goatees here.




Woof

 

[Jessiedog]

*looks at BF*





*suggests he would look better clean shaven*

Oops!







Woof

 

[tarannau]

No.

And neither do you.

But the suspicions are valid.

How the fuck can suspicions be valid when you have absolutely no proof.

Talk about a kangaroo court...

 

[Jessiedog]

How the fuck can suspicions be valid when you have absolutely no proof.

Talk about a kangaroo court...

No accredited O-O-C drug testing?




There was no proof against Marion Jones until she admitted using.





Woof

 

[exosculate]

Sorry I only skim read the last bit.

Am I right to say all paedophiles without goatees definitely take drugs?

Or have I grasped the wrong end of the baton?

 

[Jessiedog]

Sorry I only skim read the last bit.

Am I right to say all paedophiles without goatees definitely take drugs?

Or have I grasped the wrong end of the baton?

He's shaved it off now. So it's impossible to know about the drugs.

Woof

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Cool Runnings is on NOW. Excellent film

 

[ScallyWag II]

Cool Runnings is on NOW. Excellent film

I've actually not seen it before, loved it though! Cheesy, weepy and fab

 

[Lisarocket]

Cool Runnings is on NOW. Excellent film

It's one of my favourite films. I always have a little cry at the end

 

[Jazzz]

Nonsense. I'm arguing that if there was a drug that could make someone that good, he'd not be the only person out there flying down the track, setting records decades ahead of expectation.

It's a consequence of your argument that were Bolt's times less exceptional, you would be more inclined to believe he was doping.

That is indeed perverse logic.

Plus he's only improved his 200m time by 0.9s since he was 15. Less than a second in 7 years - yeah, must be drugs!

It's just not plausible.

That's a valid observation. I'm not arguing whether he is doping or not, I don't believe he is

 

[Jazzz]

But what drug could he be using out of competition Jessie? He has no muscles to speak of - so what could he be taking? What conceivable drug taken out of competition could be helping him make that explosive start if it's not doing it by building muscle?

If he has 'no muscles to speak of', how on earth is he getting to the finishing line?

He doesn't look 'pumped' but is certainly muscular, especially considering he has a 6 foot 5 frame. He's probably 15 or 16 stone and very little of it is fat. I would assume he has a greater muscle mass than any of his fellow competitors.

 

[Jazzz]

oh well I'd be completely wrong there he's 86kg (13 and a half stone) according to wikipedia! That is pretty light for someone as tall as him for sure. Asafa Powell is 2kg heavier

 

[Jessiedog]

Asafa Powell is 2kg heavier

Woof

 

[chazegee]

Bolt, the fastest Human Being on the planet. It seems very esoteric to me, as human speed has become possibly the least important attributes in terms of success, not applying to Bolt of course.
I'm not even sure if short distance speed would have been that important in the first Olympic games, marathon running clearly would have been for the messaging system and that, but I dunno, weird, I was thinking grease pig catching may be more entertaining, but I suppose it's got to many random factors with wiley swine etc. Erm...
The running man, that was a fucking great idea.