It's starting... "Deregulation, cutting red tape"

[Artaxerxes]

To chart the articles and attempts to withdraw workers rights mooted in the papers, and probably discussed in cabinet.

Going to be fun times ahead for the poorest in society.

- Now the vote is over, let's move on with six steps to a bright future

We should scrap EU-mandated labour market regulations and social protections as fast as possible. There is no reason why we should accept European limits on how many hours people do in the office - so long as we have a minimum wage in place, which we do, then it is up to every individual how long a shift he or she wants to put in. Issues such as parental leave can be freely agreed between companies and staff. Employers who want to hire lots of young women, the best educated, most skilled part of the workforce, will be generous; others less so. But business can decide for itself.

 

[andysays]

Not sure that the description of deregulation and cutting red-tape as "starting" is entirely accurate, or why this is in the EU ref thread.

It's been going on for years, decades even, and would have continued whatever the result.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Not sure that the description of deregulation and cutting red-tape as "starting" is entirely accurate, or why this is in the EU ref thread.

It's been going on for years, decades even, and would have continued whatever the result.

Its an article on direct fall out from the ref vote. Stating we should cut regulation even further, let the market free.

I know its been going on for years but it even cites now we're free of the EU regulations lets take a chainsaw to this motherfucker.

 

[mauvais]

It's up to every individual as to whether they fall into a threshing machine.

 

[CNT36]

To chart the articles and attempts to withdraw workers rights mooted in the papers, and probably discussed in cabinet.

Going to be fun times ahead for the poorest in society.

- Now the vote is over, let's move on with six steps to a bright future

NAFTA

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Its an article on direct fall out from the ref vote. Stating we should cut regulation even further, let the market free.

I know its been going on for years but it even cites now we're free of the EU regulations lets take a chainsaw to this motherfucker.

Which is why Labour has stepped up to the plate and is steaming in to shape the new UK to be a workers' paradise.

That's what they're doing, right?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Which is why Labour has stepped up to the plate and is steaming in to shape the new UK to be a workers' paradise.

That's what they're doing, right?

Any day now, I swear. Its a ruse.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Not sure that the description of deregulation and cutting red-tape as "starting" is entirely accurate, or why this is in the EU ref thread.

It's been going on for years, decades even, and would have continued whatever the result.

Come off it. This is the shit that many people were specifically highlighting before the vote - ie stuff that has come from the EU that we are in danger of losing with a r/w tory govt in charge and no EU regulation to control them.

And here we are, with one of the candidates for next PM saying exactly what many of us feared would happen.

 

[ska invita]

Come off it. This is the shit that many people were specifically highlighting before the vote - ie stuff that has come from the EU that we are in danger of losing with a r/w tory govt in charge and no EU regulation to control them.

And here we are, with one of the candidates for next PM saying exactly what many of us feared would happen.

"Okay, can everyone stop whingeing?"

 

[ska invita]

My favourite is the "race" based immigration policy:
"For the first five years, the Government should aim to keep net migration around the 300,000 mark every year, even if it wants to change the mix to allow in more Canadians and Indians and fewer East Europeans."

I get the feeling it will be Canadians rather than Indians.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Come off it. This is the shit that many people were specifically highlighting before the vote - ie stuff that has come from the EU that we are in danger of losing with a r/w tory govt in charge and no EU regulation to control them.

And here we are, with one of the candidates for next PM saying exactly what many of us feared would happen.

Of course we knew they were going to increase their attacks on us. And left leavers realised the EU would do precisely the same further down the road. At least now with the EU out the way we just have the near enemy to fight. Do you want two enemies to have to fight or just one?

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Of course we knew they were going to increase their attacks on us. And left leavers realised the EU would do precisely the same further down the road. At least now with the EU out the way we just have the near enemy to fight. Do you want two enemies to have to fight or just one?

Where is your evidence for this? Much of the worker rights legislation is pretty recent.

 

[DotCommunist]

the anti union bill. People seem not to get that if it gets through as it is intended to its effectively going to make legal striking a thing of the past unless you can get a massive turn out for the strike ballot. Yes we still have wildcat actions but they still have jails and dole queues for wildcatters/flying pickets etc.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Where is your evidence for this? Much of the worker rights legislation is pretty recent.

My evidence is in Greece. What protection has the EU provided for Greek workers? Name me one thing.

 

[rubbershoes]

My favourite is the "race" based immigration policy:
"For the first five years, the Government should aim to keep net migration around the 300,000 mark every year, even if it wants to change the mix to allow in more Canadians and Indians and fewer East Europeans."

I get the feeling it will be Canadians rather than Indians.

Are there loads of Canadians wanting to move here?

Maybe they want the shit weather

 

[ska invita]

NAFTA

Exactly, yes, we may be moving away from the EU but we will move closer to the US. Farage's health insurance plan made that clear...and Im sure there are many Tories who want the same as him.

 

[ska invita]

Are there loads of Canadians wanting to move here?

Maybe they want the shit weather

Canadians is Telegraph code for english speaking white people... White Australians, White South Africans, White Kiwis etc

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Exactly, yes, we may be moving away from the EU but we will move closer to the US. Farage's health insurance plan made that clear...and Im sure there are many Tories who want the same as him.

Gove has spoken about wanting this for many years.

 

[rubbershoes]

Canadians is Telegraph code for english speaking white people... Australians, South Africans, Kiwis etc

very few of whom want to live here permanently

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

My evidence is in Greece. What protection has the EU provided for Greek workers? Name me one thing.

Just a single, solitary example of how Greek workers have benefited from the benevolent protection of the cuddly EU. One example. One.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Just a single, solitary example of how Greek workers have benefited from the benevolent protection of the cuddly EU. One example. One.

I don't wish to downplay what happened in Greece, but what relevance does it have to the UK leaving the EU and repealing EU labour legislation, which, at this particular moment in time, is in place and does make a tangible difference to many people?

 

[stethoscope]

It's the EU and IMF that are behind the demands on the French 'socialist' government to reform (and weaken) historical labour/workers rights in order to make their labour force and market 'more flexible', in case anyone has not noticed this happening right now.

 

[mauvais]

It's the EU and IMF that are behind the demands on the French 'socialist' government to reform (and weaken) historical labour/workers rights in order to make their labour force and market 'more flexible', in case anyone has not noticed this happening right now.

Nobody denies that, AFAICS. But the point illustrates itself. The EU has to defeat the strongest government and the strongest public in Europe in order to lower the common denominator. The French and German public appear to be stronger-minded than the British. But the Tories only have to defeat the British.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

I don't wish to downplay what happened in Greece, but what relevance does it have to the UK leaving the EU

It has relevance to the argument that the EU will protect us against the Tories. It won't. More than that, it has been demonstrated beyond doubt that the EU is capable of being twice as brutal as the Tories have been for almost a century.You'd have to go back to the 20s/30s to see a comparable British example of the way Greek workers are being shat upon.

...and repealing EU labour legislation, which, at this particular moment in time, is in place and does make a tangible difference to many people?

They don't need to repeal EU legislation. Everything that is happening in Greece is within the bounds EU law.The only reason EU regulation exists is for 'harmonisation' purposes - i.e. the possibility of having equally dis-empowered working classes throughout the entire continent.

Let me ask the question another way. Which of the attacks on Greek working rights are impossible in this country due to EU law?

 

[free spirit]

both Greek and French situations with the EU are due to their being full signatories to the stability and growth pact.

No argument from me that the stability and growth pact is a terrible piece of law and urgently needs to be changed, but the fact is that in the UK we're not affected by this in any tangible way, while we've notionally signed up to it we did so in a way that means the EU has no method of enforcing it with the UK other than a public slap on the wrists.

Can anyone point to any specific moves within the EU to revoke or reduce the working time directive that have not come from the UK?

Actually we're in danger of derailing what should be a useful thread, so I'll not respond further on this thread.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

It has relevance to the argument that the EU will protect us against the Tories. It won't.

Sorry, but this simply isn't true. Right here, right now, British workers are afforded certain rights due to EU legislation.

 

[free spirit]

Let me ask the question another way. Which of the attacks on Greek working rights are impossible in this country due to EU law?

all of them.

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Well, all of those that have been forced on the Greeks by the EU under the authority of the stability and growth pact.

Which is different to saying that the EU actually protects against our government voluntarily doing the same thing - in that respect the EU only protects specific rights such as those under the working time directive, which according to the OP are now being threatened.

 

[smokedout]

Its an article on direct fall out from the ref vote. Stating we should cut regulation even further, let the market free.

And written by some two-bit freelancer in the Telegraph's business section. How well do you think a goverment that proposed ending maternity pay would do at an election?

 

[HoratioCuthbert]

both Greek and French situations with the EU are due to their being full signatories to the stability and growth pact.

No argument from me that the stability and growth pact is a terrible piece of law and urgently needs to be changed, but the fact is that in the UK we're not affected by this in any tangible way, while we've notionally signed up to it we did so in a way that means the EU has no method of enforcing it with the UK other than a public slap on the wrists.

Can anyone point to any specific moves within the EU to revoke or reduce the working time directive that have not come from the UK?

Actually we're in danger of derailing what should be a useful thread, so I'll not respond further on this thread.

we have been affected in a tangible way though, because measures were taken to meet the targets- welfare cuts, increasing pension age. Ok they can't sanction us. It's still added pressure though right?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

Sorry, but this simply isn't true. Right here, right now, British workers are afforded certain rights due to EU legislation.

Any rights we have are down to the latent power of organised labour here in the UK. If we were as weak as they are in Greece they would stamp their heels into our throat in a second. I just cannot fathom how anyone can see the EU as protectors of our rights when they are capable of utterly destroying those rights elsewhere. Our rights were fought for here, not gifted to us from above. Pieces of paper that say otherwise are meaningless as they will just tear them up when it suits them. Paper rights. Paper protections.