Is DnB the new Punk?
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Farmer Giles
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In answer to the thread, no. If anything, it was acid house.
Would have more respect for him if he'd acutally engineered any of them, and he wasnt such an arse.
tarannau said:
Would have more respect for him if he'd acutally engineered any of them, and he wasnt such an arse.
bustawidemove
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When jungle emerged, I'd say it could have been described as the new punk, but now........ I don't think so 
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DJWrongspeed said:when i went to metalheadz in '95 goldie was playing chess at the bar
it was the sweetest bass vibe i'd ever felt.
I live quite near goldie, and he tried to start i fight with someone i went to school with. he stopped his car and got out and tried to fight this guy. now, im not sure who's the bigger twat, because the guy he tried to fight was probably the most stupid racist at my school.
i might be going to see a dj wrongspeed play a rave in a lazer quest this weekend, you must be the same person.
should i go? i havnt much money but it sounds excellent, with nitrous and lazer guns on offer
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yes, that would be the one
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Sounds like a good one to me, and I think a few people from here are going. And obviously Wrongspeed is worth seeing.
Having said that I'm going to the Seed Records party instead because Modeselektor are on and I'm too lazy to go all the way to Kingston.
Having said that I'm going to the Seed Records party instead because Modeselektor are on and I'm too lazy to go all the way to Kingston.
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yeh, kingston is a bit far off, but it looks really fun, and aron spectre is excellent, hmmmmm
bustawidemove said:When jungle emerged, I'd say it could have been described as the new punk, but now........ I don't think so
TBH, I think the whole comparison is a bit of a duff one. Why compare one of the UK's finest musical innovations of recent years, initially one of the first dance music forms to stem from a black dominated scene, with punk?
It's hardly as the two had much in common socially. And you can't really suggest that Drum and Bass's favoured fashions (designer brands,bling and champagne amongst the high rollers), nor the musical innovation, love of musical technology and the playfulness of the early drum and bass scene had many equivalents in punk.
Things may have changed, but I know some people who are immensely proud of the way drum and bass grew out of a small hardcore/jungle scene. And I'm sure they'd never think of themselves as punks...
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tarannau said:Gawd, you guys are making me feel really old - It's not that long in the past it is? Metalheadz was still at the Blue Note till at least '97, with Dingwalls definitely just starting in '99, rolling for at least a good few years.
More worryingly I'm off to a loose reminder of the first gig I ever went to some 20 years ago now (I was just into my teens). It's Fresh Fest '06, complete with all sorts of old school hip hop legends. The crowd should be a lark to behold - all sorts of ageing b-boys and hip hop heads. Headspins may be at a premium...
See you there!
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Orang Utan
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breakcore is fucking shit
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There's not much else to say about breakcore really. It is fucking shit.
There's not much else to say about breakcore really. It is fucking shit.
Orang Utan said:
is what he meant to say
I actually agree with Orang on this one.
Breakcore is shitly deconstructed drum and bass, added to the worst excesses of breakbeat, designed for well off folks to stick their be-goatee'd heads up their arses to, nodding about the challenging and 'experimental' beats.
90% of the stuff I've heard is wankety wank wank. No soul, no real bass presence - it should be about the one , not about making some 'challenging' grunts to ineffectually wave your hands about to. There's no sense of jungle's early passion, down-low hip swinging goodness, about Breakcore.
Breakcore is shitly deconstructed drum and bass, added to the worst excesses of breakbeat, designed for well off folks to stick their be-goatee'd heads up their arses to, nodding about the challenging and 'experimental' beats.
90% of the stuff I've heard is wankety wank wank. No soul, no real bass presence - it should be about the one , not about making some 'challenging' grunts to ineffectually wave your hands about to. There's no sense of jungle's early passion, down-low hip swinging goodness, about Breakcore.
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tarannau said:
You what?
I like breakcore because it's stupid, loud and aggressive, and good for jumping round to like an idiot. I've never heard anybody ever describe it as 'challenging' or 'experimental' and I'd probably laugh at anybody who did.
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:You what?
I like breakcore because it's stupid, loud and aggressive, and good for jumping round to like an idiot. I've never heard anybody ever describe it as 'challenging' or 'experimental' and I'd probably laugh at anybody who did.
What he said. It's dance music you can mosh to. Which has to be a good thing.
Monkeygrinder's Organ said:You what?
I like breakcore because it's stupid, loud and aggressive, and good for jumping round to like an idiot. I've never heard anybody ever describe it as 'challenging' or 'experimental' and I'd probably laugh at anybody who did.
Blimey. Some of the produceers I've met have made great play about how breakcore makes self referential noises, tinkering predominantly with speeded up amen breaks and using industrial and breakbeat sourced sounds. Just typing up 'breakcore brings up all sorts of links talking about 'experimental' music - try it if you don't believe me.
Maybe there's a disconnect between the dancefloor and producers I suppose. I'll agree with you on the 'stupid' though. It's just another excuse to revamp gabba and make a strangely familiar speeded up noise assault that you can jump up and down randomly to. It's end of the night music for me at best, a shallow echo of the genuinely different and exciting jungle sound of all those years back.
tarannau said:
Oh dear. What a tragedy
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tarannau said:
Actually Dub posted a link to a debate a while ago on the Praxis forum that was stuffed with all that sort of wank, so I'd have to admit it is there. I don't think most people who listen to it see it like that though.
Also there's nothing in that that you couldn't apply just as well to the vast majority of drum n bass over the last ten years as well, and I still love that as well.
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tarannau said:Nah. It's like Drum and Bass mixed with hard house, with a bit of gabba mixed in. That's so not a good thing...
Hey, I can take the rest but you can fuck right off with that 'hard house' rubbish.
Damn, I meant to say hard trance on the last post, saving me the more accurate hard house jibe until this very moment
More seriously what I loved about jungle/hardcore the first time around - the first dance music I could ever really tolerate and get away with my circle of friends if I'm honest - was that it was built heavily around the bass. None of that cheesy melody stuff, everything should have been around that number one bass sound - the same downlow stuff that moves hips and powers dub and funk.
As soon as it becomes 'frantic hand-waggling pogoing whiteboy stuff' (copyright: my mate Marl) then it tends to lose that integrity and become just another tiresome gabba-esque experience for me.
Too much of breakcore falls into that trap if you ask me, although I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule that I don't know about.
More seriously what I loved about jungle/hardcore the first time around - the first dance music I could ever really tolerate and get away with my circle of friends if I'm honest - was that it was built heavily around the bass. None of that cheesy melody stuff, everything should have been around that number one bass sound - the same downlow stuff that moves hips and powers dub and funk.
As soon as it becomes 'frantic hand-waggling pogoing whiteboy stuff' (copyright: my mate Marl) then it tends to lose that integrity and become just another tiresome gabba-esque experience for me.
Too much of breakcore falls into that trap if you ask me, although I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule that I don't know about.
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tarannau said:Damn, I meant to say hard trance on the last post, saving me the more accurate hard house jibe until this very moment
More seriously what I loved about jungle/hardcore the first time around - the first dance music I could ever really tolerate and get away with my circle of friends if I'm honest - was that it was built heavily around the bass. None of that cheesy melody stuff, everything should have been around that number one bass sound - the same downlow stuff that moves hips and powers dub and funk.
As soon as it becomes 'frantic hand-waggling pogoing whiteboy stuff' (copyright: my mate Marl) then it tends to lose that integrity and become just another tiresome gabba-esque experience for me.
Too much of breakcore falls into that trap if you ask me, although I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule that I don't know about.
Well I can't claim not to be a hand-waggling pogoing whiteboy, so I guess you've got me there.
I'd suggest you try one of the mixes by DJ/Rupture though. For me he's the one DJ who really does push it beyond the stoopid noize and do something interesting, although it's only breakcore in parts. Minesweeper Suite or Low Income Tomorrowland are both excellent.
is enduser breakcore? i've got a couple of his tracks, they're alright. some breakcore i've heard seems to be all over the place just for the sake of it, whereas the enduser tracks i've got seem to have some sort of direction/structure to them, and a bit of a groove. haven't heard enough breakcore to form a real opinion either way though.
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