Is DnB the new Punk?

[ska invita]

DnB has certainlly inflitrated the squat/ free-party scene and its sounding more punkish and militant each day that goes by... its a shame that all the old ravers are so apolitical.

Maybe DnB could finally fill the void of proper rebelious musical youth culture!

Anyone come across any overtly political DnB acts DnB mc's?

 

[s.norbury]

yes

 

[Iam]

It certainly seems to irritate fans of "proper" music enough to count.

 

[ddraig]

nope

breakcore is the new punk
or jungle at a stretch - not dnb tho, too many milesy's

 

[kakuma]

breakcore

some of the gigs i've been to have had that thing where everyone there is into it, noone is posing

dnb is too big,

but it isn't the new punk, it's loads better than punk

 

[zenie]

yep I'd agree with breakcore

But what's the obligitary Breakcore uniform??

 

[Doctor Carrot]

nope

breakcore is the new punk
or jungle at a stretch - not dnb tho, too many milesy's

I had this conversation at a party and a guy said 'Drum n bass is more punk than punk ever was' I immediately dismissed his claims as bollocks but I definately thought that the more harder drum n bass was the punk of electronic music, but now the breakcore/mashcore whatever ya wanna call it scene has come about and is growing I feel this is far more the punk of electronic music. On the venetian snares entry in wikipedia it describes his work:-

Much of Venetian Snares' work seems reactionary to the often repetitive, confined, and streamlined tendencies of Rave music and Drum and bass, in much the same way that Punk rock challenged established music trends in the aftermath of Arena rock

Although this quote is just about Venetian Snares' music I think it sums up breakcore nicely.

 

[Termite Man]

Isn't grime the new punk as well

 

[JTG]

Yep, breakcore/mashup etc etc is more punk than dnb

It's better as well

 

[Flavour]

breakcore is the new punk, some of us (not me) have known for years, but everyday new people realise.

 

[Termite Man]

breakcore is breakcore , DnB is DnB , mashup is mashup and punk is punk . By all means celebrate the similarities between attitudes/styles but let each one exist in it's right !

 

[Flavour]

mashup doesnt exist in its own right, thats the whole point p)

 

[thefuse]

i've been saying this for years.
its the music that everyone loves to hate and it attracts a lot of old punks
too, which must mean something

 

[Termite Man]

mashup doesnt exist in its own right, thats the whole point p)

but you get the point though , to say DnB is the new punk is doing a disservice to DnB IMO !

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

DnB isn't the 'new' anything. If it was the new punk it would be the equivalent of punk in about 1990.

 

[JTG]

Savage Henry was DJing at the DnB/breakcore etc night I went to on Saturday

I missed him though

 

[boskysquelch]

Isn't grime the new punk as well

yup.

 

[thefuse]

and black is the new white etc etc

 

[aurora green]

Surely drum and base can't be the new anything, it's been around for at least 10 years now..

 

[boskysquelch]

Surely drum and base can't be the new anything, it's been around for at least 10 years now..

I dint like to tell'em that....by my reckoning it's been about since late 93 ...Jungle is at least 3 years older than that too..

 

[jrj2020]

however theres a massive difference between todays jump up dnb like pendulum which is hitting the charts and the drum and bass of the old school! Music evolves and reputations/situations change

 

[editor]

DnB has certainlly inflitrated the squat/ free-party scene and its sounding more punkish and militant each day that goes by... its a shame that all the old ravers are so apolitical.

Punk was a musical revolution that inspired a generation and changed popular culture forever.

DnB was hardly the same cultural/musical force.

But some of it sounds great.

 

[ouchmonkey]

Surely drum and base can't be the new anything, it's been around for at least 10 years now..

Thank God.

I was starting to worry no one was going to point this out.

if it's anything it's the new Jungle

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Thank God.

I was starting to worry no one was going to point this out.

if it's anything it's the new Jungle

I pointed it out bloody ages ago!

 

[ChrisFilter]

Well, I love D'n'B and I think punk is fucking shite.. not sure what that adds to the debate, but that's besides the point.

 

[sus]

its the music that everyone loves to hate and it attracts a lot of old punks
too

acoustic ladyland are the new punk and the new drum and bass -- ave IT

 

[zenie]

Well, I love D'n'B and I think punk is fucking shite.. not sure what that adds to the debate, but that's besides the point.

They're both hated by oldies I guess

I'm not sure if it is the 'new' anything DnB that is.

 

[soulrebel]

Punk: rebellious, parent/Daily Mail-scaring, working-class, mixed-race British youth music, born in London circa 1977 to Jamaican and white Brit/American parents. Associated by popular press (partially rightly) with drugs, yobbish behaviour and nihilistic wastedness, but containing within it both ecstatic and uncompromising rebellion. Started as an "underground", off-radio, anti-major label, anti-commercial, squat-associated scene; later co-opted by "the mainstream", ad agencies, etc, but still to be found (if you know where to look) in forms and places true to its roots.

Drum'n'Bass: rebellious, parent/Daily Mail-scaring, working-class, mixed-race British youth music, born in London circa 1993 to Jamaican and white Brit/American parents. Associated by popular press (partially rightly) with drugs, yobbish behaviour and nihilistic wastedness, but containing within it both ecstatic and uncompromising rebellion. Started as an "underground", off-radio, anti-major label, anti-commercial, squat-associated scene; later co-opted by "the mainstream", ad agencies, etc, but still to be found (if you know where to look) in forms and places true to its roots.

 

[pk]

Well I don't give a fuck what any of you think about D&B, in the true punk style, but here's my contribution to the cause:

www.shithotrecords.co.uk/pandakiller

Got two D&B tracks sitting there at the minute, more to come though... if you like that kind of thing. D&B is nice to create, fiddling with those rolling snares and creating beats no human drummer could ever achieve, it's all good, and very, very therapeautic, especially when you're working with big fuck off speaker stacks on site.

Play them or download them now please, because I've dropped from number 9 to number 13 in the charts, and I was kinda hoping for that number one spot. With your help I can achieve this.

They're political tunes, erm, in a love/hate kind of way.

One is about love and the other is about hate.

 

[pk]

BTW - anyone here used to go to the Blue Note in Hoxton Square back in '93???

That's where drum and bass was born as far as I'm concerned... notwithstanding the pioneering work of DJ Zinc and the Ganga Cru - the innovators - forget jungle, forget Goldie... Tru Playas were the official heralding of the new era.