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Is Brexit actually going to happen?

Will we have a brexit?

  • Yes - A fully independant Britain making its own way in the world (apart from scotland).

    Votes: 66 18.2%

  • A Semi-Detached Norway type deal

    Votes: 111 30.7%

  • No - 2nd referendum and/or face saving fudge to let us slink back in feeling a bit fucking stupid

    Votes: 185 51.1%
  • Total voters
    362
MickiQ said:
Until I read this, I didn't realise this (never been near the equator never mind south of it) but it is actually obvious when you think about it. Not only that but having googled it I have learnt that if you stand ON the equator the moon appears to flip depending on whether you face north or south. Amidst these 700+ pages of sometimes angry pontificating, an interesting fact.
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Yes, and if you think about it carefully it demonstrates that the earth is not spherical; it's all explained here:

 
SpookyFrank said:
No percentage in that for Corbyn, as he'd then have to contend a general election as the bloke who let a universally hated brexit deal through, while the tories could run with a new leader with (relatively) clean hands.

Corbyn also loses his 'moral case' for a GE if the ink on the brexit deal is already dry.
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Totally if Corbyn is seen to collaborate with May to get Brexit through he might as well not bother contesting the GE.
 
In general I think May's plan (in so much that she has one) is becoming clearish. Find a wording that will get the DUP onside, the ERG lot will fold quickly then (they're already making overtures presumably because they are worried about no Brexit) and this will isolate the tory remainers. Its easy to hide in a load of dissenting voices, less so when there are a few of you. The pressure on them to agree a deal will be huge.

May has never and will never give a fuck about what anybody / any party thinks. From the off this has been all about the tories and she'll find a solution from within her party no matter the damage it causes to the country. Anything and everything must be done to avoid a schism.
 
I don’t think she can get any deal through, there’s enough Tory remainers such that a tilt towards the ERG will guarantee they don’t come onboard. She needs almost all of her party, the couple of Labour brexiters aren’t going to be enough to get it over the line. It’s a fucked up stalemate and who knows where it will end.

I do wonder whether Labour’s Customs Union plan could pass with the support of Tory remainers/soft brexiteers, but there’s a risk of them then owning the chaos/betrayal. No clue where this can go other than an extension to art 50 at the moment.
 
Dogsauce said:
I don’t think she can get any deal through, there’s enough Tory remainers such that a tilt towards the ERG will guarantee they don’t come onboard. She needs almost all of her party, the couple of Labour brexiters aren’t going to be enough to get it over the line. It’s a fucked up stalemate and who knows where it will end.
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She got a few votes from the opposition benches last time and she could probably get a few more with a slightly better deal (Hoey etc). There are also quite a few Labour MP's with relatively small majorities in leave majority seats, again a few of these might fold as well. Plus there are still who will quite happily kick Corbyn just for the sake of it and break cover and blame everything on him.

Its looks tricky for May but not inconceivable.
 
Bahnhof Strasse said:
It can't be extended more than a few weeks, so where now?
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Dogsauce said:
I don’t think she can get any deal through, there’s enough Tory remainers such that a tilt towards the ERG will guarantee they don’t come onboard. She needs almost all of her party, the couple of Labour brexiters aren’t going to be enough to get it over the line. It’s a fucked up stalemate and who knows where it will end.

I do wonder whether Labour’s Customs Union plan could pass with the support of Tory remainers/soft brexiteers, but there’s a risk of them then owning the chaos/betrayal. No clue where this can go other than an extension to art 50 at the moment.
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Yeh try a revocation of a50 in a while
 
zahir said:
Ivan Rogers speaking at UCL on Tuesday
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We desperately need clear and honest thinking about our choices not just for the weeks but for the years, indeed decades, ahead. I continue to think that our political debate is bedevilled by what, at the time I resigned, I termed “muddled thinking”, and by fantasies and delusions as to what our options really are in the world as it is.
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Thank goodness we've got people like Ivan Rogers to set out what "our" options really are. How would we manage without them
 
So we are still careering our entire socio-economic systems towards Nigel Farage's wank fantasy based on the notion that a second referendum would be undemocratic because reasons.

A shower of shitfesting blundercunts.
 
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