Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Pickman's model]

The 1st degree murder charge that counts as good news right now doesn’t it.

It'll be better news when a jury brings in a verdict of guilty

 

[Streathamite]

Canada needs to very quickly move away from trade relations with the US, and mainly because the US has no interest in free and fair trade relations.

Get real. This simply ain't gonna happen. Throughout history, nations and states have always traded most with the ones that are nearest to them. Can you honestly not see the very good reasojns why this is so?
Re; your second point. The current regime don't want 'free and fair trade' (plus, they haven't a clue how this works at State level). Every previous US govt had at least some interest.

Anything we need, including fresh lettuce can be bought from China before it's wilted. China rejects military actions and concentrates on free trade.

Err, right, so you want to ditch longstanding trading links with somewhere that is still a liberal democracy, however shaky that looks right now, in favour of the same with an ultra-repressive, authoritarian police state and dictatorship th\at is currently committing near-genocide. And you want to bet your food, manufactured goods etc security on that.
With respect, that's beyond mental.

 

[Streathamite]

I just don't see anything good coming out of our alliance with the US. I'm really quite serious about them turning to fascism.

For the record; the PRC is a zillion times closer to fascism than the US is.

 

[Pickman's model]

Get real. This simply ain't gonna happen. Thro8ughout history, nations and states have always traded most with the ones that are nearest to them. Can you honestly not see the very good reasojns why this is so.
Re; your second point. The current regime don't want 'free and fair trade'(plus, they haven't a clue how this works at State level. Every previous US govt had at least some interest.

Err, right, so you want to ditch longstanding trading links with somewhere that is still a liberal democracy, however shaky that looks right now, in favour of the same an ultra-repressive, authoritarian police state and dictatorship th\at is currently committing near-genocide. And you want to bet your food, manufactured goods etc security on that.
With respect, that's beyond mental.

Not to mention most of China's lettuce for domestic consumption whereas the us is (after Spain) the world's greatest exporter of the stuff

 

[Pickman's model]

For the record; the PRC is a zillion times closer to fascism than the US is.

I don't think that's quite right, I rather think they've gone beyond fascism

 

[Streathamite]

I don't think that's quite right, I rather think they've gone beyond fascism

Fair enough - I'm going for understatement!

 

[Streathamite]

Not to mention most of China's lettuce for domestic consumption whereas the us is (after Spain) the world's greatest exporter of the stuff

yep, absolutely, in fact AFAICT, pretty much all their food is domestic trade, simply due to the size of that population

 

[agricola]

I don't think that's quite right, I rather think they've gone beyond fascism

Not even sure fascism is the right sort of word to describe what they are; in fact its probably long past time that someone coins a new word for that sort of state.

 

[Donald H]

Get real. This simply ain't gonna happen. Thro8ughout history, nations and states have always traded most with the ones that are nearest to them. Can you honestly not see the very good reasojns why this is so.
Re; your second point. The current regime don't want 'free and fair trade'(plus, they haven't a clue how this works at State level. Every previous US govt had at least some interest.

Err, right, so you want to ditch longstanding trading links with somewhere that is still a liberal democracy, however shaky that looks right now, in favour of the same with an ultra-repressive, authoritarian police state and dictatorship th\at is currently committing near-genocide. And you want to bet your food, manufactured goods etc security on that.
With respect, that's beyond mental.

Yes, and for many good reasons. Canada needs to become secure in our right to free and fair trade. And suggesting that I'm 'mental' carries no respect with it.

And fwiw, if they clean up their act we can always turn back to them for lettuce on fair terms.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not even sure fascism is the right sort of word to describe what they are; in fact its probably long past time that someone coins a new word for that sort of state.

Fuckwitism

 

[Donald H]

I don't think that's quite right, I rather think they've gone beyond fascism

Good grief no Pickman! Chinia is a communist, capitalist state that has raised hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty. No other wystem in the world has ever shown to be capable of equalling that. And of course the tradional enemy of communism is fascism. Ask Streath to see if he'll be truthful about his Marxist priorities.

 

[agricola]

Fuckwitism

I think that is a definition that would both be accurate and overused in these times.

 

[Donald H]

yep, absolutely, in fact AFAICT, pretty much all their food is domestic trade, simply due to the size of that population

Very wrong about all their food being for domestic supply!

Oh, and my bit with the lettuce was just to make the point that they can get a perishable here before it wilts

 

[Mr.Bishie]

Can you refrain from derailing this thread any further - start a new thread about fucking lettuce.

 

[Donald H]

Fuckwitism

A communist country with a capitalist economy. And did you know they are now 20th. in the world for 'quality of life'! Just 3 places behind the US that is now 17th.

China takes a politically moderate approach to human rights, while the US is guilty of killing 20,000,000 people in foreign lands in 40 wars of aggression since WW2 alone.

I mean, what can ya say Pickman? China should say sorry to the fkng Dalii Llama?

 

[Donald H]

Can you refrain from derailing this thread any further - start a new thread about fucking lettuce.

This is a thread for grownups as soon as I take part. We understand how lettuce can be a part of a discussion.

 

[spring-peeper]

Could you address your china concerns on another thread please?

None of this is relevant to the thread title.

 

[spring-peeper]

This is a thread for grownups as soon as I take part. We understand how lettuce can be a part of a discussion.

Actually, no you can't discuss lettuce on this thread.

Stay on topic.

 

[Streathamite]

China takes a politically moderate approach to human rights,

HUH????? They most certainly do not!
The PRC is a horrific violator of human rightss, so much so that Amnesty International, doesn't have desk, or even a dedicated room for the PRC - they have a whole suite of rooms - practically a floor, in fact. Ask the Uyghur's, and other minority religious groups. Ask the folk in HongKong.
The PRc is quite simply one of the world's top 5 rpressive states.
And this is a communist telling you that.

 

[Streathamite]

Ask Streath to see if he'll be truthful about his Marxist priorities.

For the record; the PRC betrayed every single tenet of marcism decades ago.

 

[ska invita]

he'll be gone soon, just ignore him

 

[editor]

This is a thread for grownups as soon as I take part. We understand how lettuce can be a part of a discussion.

We don't like disruptive newbies declaring themselves in the plural, so off this thread you go.

 

[Streathamite]

Apologies, everyone...I am as at fault as anyone for this thread derail. Please, someone post about BLM
In faxct, I will.
Black residents in Kenosha say that Jacob Blake was no outlier

Relations between African American communities and the police in Kenosha had long been fraught.


“The cops and the people in the courthouse and jails say they care about Kenosha, but they really don’t care about making it a nice place for everyone,” Summers said.


He added: “I’m scared to walk outside sometimes because the last time I was pulled over, there were multiple cops pointing assault rifles at me just because someone called the cops on me. I was unarmed.”

 

[agricola]

A communist country with a capitalist economy. And did you know they are now 20th. in the world for 'quality of life'! Just 3 places behind the US that is now 17th.

China takes a politically moderate approach to human rights, while the US is guilty of killing 20,000,000 people in foreign lands in 40 wars of aggression since WW2 alone.

I mean, what can ya say Pickman? China should say sorry to the fkng Dalii Llama?

"Politically moderate approach to human rights" in that they usually only take one kidney?

 

[Streathamite]

We don't like disruptive newbies declaring themselves in the plural, so off this thread you go.

Thank you.

 

[existentialist]

The state won't use it's resources. The county prosecutor refuses to prosecute the rioters. What's needed is an all out crackdown. The local politicians have surrendered to mob rule. They are wimps.

That's one interpretation. My guess is that they are looking at a massive and growing upwelling of opposition and protest, and are considering their options very carefully: nobody has the force to overcome a mass popular uprising, so the cooler heads (those would be the "wimps" of which you speak ) will be cautioning against inflaming the situation still further. Those "wimps" will, obviously, in the current US political climate, be overruled, and I imagine we can expect to see the slide towards armed street warfare continue unabated. Because, sure as eggs is eggs, when the white boys start turning up with assault weapons, they will be met with a corresponding increase in violent potential by the people they stand against. That's just human nature. Get over it.

And allow me to remind you again that your own nation was not founded by people peacefully protesting, and not breaking things. It's an established form of societal change, whether you like it or not. Right now, you're sounding like someone who's got a lot invested in wanting things to stay exactly the same.

 

[Streathamite]

Just watched the Kenosha police/mayor presser. Not much to report, other than it's clear they haven't got a clue how to handle the situation other than flood the whole joint with national Guard. Yeah, that'll work....
The shooter is in custody in Illinois, awaiting transfer to Wisconsin. I understand this is almost always a formality.

 

[Streathamite]

Just found out about another police killing, and a protest as a result, In Louisiana, 5 days ago!

The shooting took place on Friday and was captured on a video that was widely shared on social media. The incident drew outrage from local civil rights groups, with the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) in Louisiana calling it a "horrific and deadly incident of police violence against a Black person."

Saturday's rally attracted around 150 demonstrators, according to the Advocate newspaper, and rocks and water bottles were thrown at police cars and vehicles on the nearby thruway. Officers in riot gear fired smoke canisters on Saturday night to disperse the crowd, police said.

The dead man's name was Trayford Pellerin. Just what is it with the cops. All things considered, you'd think if there's one thing they'd want to avoid right now it's triggering further protests

 

[Pickman's model]

Good grief no Pickman! Chinia is a communist, capitalist state that has raised hundreds of millions of it's people up out of poverty. No other wystem in the world has ever shown to be capable of equalling that. And of course the tradional enemy of communism is fascism. Ask Streath to see if he'll be truthful about his Marxist priorities.

It's not a communist society, is it, the state as you declare hasn't withered away. Indeed it's stronger than ever. And the ccp's affiliation to Marxism is as strong as Donald trump"s

 

[DaveCinzano]

Kenosha police chief reveals his perspective at press conference on militia kiddie's massacre: