Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[Pickman's model]

Eighth day.... wheres this going? Any signs?

to hell in a handcart

 

[Pickman's model]

I thought he'd have shook their hand by drone

yeh real presidents use drone strikes, obama a great fan of them

 

[YouSir]

Wearing all that gear to face civilians to me gives the impression that they are perpetually terrified every time they are deployed. No wonder people end up dead through their actions.
The historian Noble Frankland, former director-general of the Imperial War Museum was adamant that psychological studies should be done to understand the fear of those on the frontline. He was convinced that those who served while suffering from deep rooted fear were those that committed the worst atrocities. Admittedly he was referring to soldiers, but how else can the police in the states be perceived.

Some may be scared, others just want a fight.

 

[YouSir]

Eighth day.... wheres this going? Any signs?

Nowhere good. Police/state show no signs of making any real changes at all, protests are still growing but no idea how long that can be sustained, far right waiting to turn the fringes into a street fight. Where they haven't already.

 

[ska invita]

Some may be scared, others just want a fight.

a fight against unarmed defenceless people at that
some are just utter professional cunts

 

[Pickman's model]

Yucaipa, CA as a sample of what Trump is pushing. Apparently a deeply racist town to start with but now with out and out white supremacists in the street, armed and drinking. Small protest that there was, was attacked.

happily there is a blood drive in the town today

 

[DaveCinzano]

But then that's the big Military-Industrial Complex/TWAT cup game procurement con trick - selling on slightly older military gear to tumbleweed town PDs for pennies in lieu of actual Federal support for crime prevention or offender rehabilitation, to free up warehousing/garaging space & save the DoD the maintenance costs so they can buy a crapload more shiny new shit.

Here you go - the 1033 Program, under which local law enforcement organisations - including school district security! - can apply for and receive surplus military materiel (or they can apply for DoD grants to buy new kit direct from suppliers), and pay only for the shipping costs. Partially halted under an Obama administration executive order in 2015, but reinstated by Trump in 2017.

 

[LDC]

I think what happens now depends on a load of factors. Are any more people killed, and if they are who by? The reaction to that if it happens will be critical. Also whether any groups start to take advantage of this unrest in other areas - more rural areas and smaller towns could be key. For example militias of some description declaring independence or attacking people and groups they are against. Whether 'community leaders' in key areas (MN/NYC/CA cities) manage to appeal successfully for calm and restraint, probably combined with some process started by the State to investigate the incident/s and 'make changes' to try and defuse things, although it might be past it for those already.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think what happens now depends on a load of factors. Are any more people killed, and if they are who by? The reaction to that if it happens will be critical. Also whether any groups start to take advantage of this unrest in other areas - more rural areas and smaller towns could be key. For example militias of some description declaring independence or attacking people and groups they are against. Whether 'community leaders' in key areas (MN/NYC/CA cities) manage to appeal successfully for calm and restraint, probably combined with some process started by the State to investigate the incident/s and 'make changes' to try and defuse things, although it might be past it for those already.

what so much depends on is whether trump will try to force troops into states where the governor doesn't want them, and how any such troops deployed behave - whether they are belligerent or whether they in fact calm matters down by their demeanour. outside such areas, yes, it does depend how armed groups try to take advantage of the situation. but declaring independence? i think you're having a laugh, this isn't 1861 and there aren't union troops in fort sumter

 

[Crispy]

To avoid clogging the thread up with a hundred twitter videos, here's a handy compilation:

 

[LDC]

what so much depends on is whether trump will try to force troops into states where the governor doesn't want them, and how any such troops deployed behave - whether they are belligerent or whether they in fact calm matters down by their demeanour. outside such areas, yes, it does depend how armed groups try to take advantage of the situation. but declaring independence? i think you're having a laugh, this isn't 1861 and there aren't union troops in fort sumter

Yeah, there could be federal/state conflict easily over this in some areas.

I don't think it's likely to come to actual independence, but there's plenty of small right wing/militia groups opposed to the federal government and the left (look at things like Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.) that could act as a spark for a different wave of unrest and instability if they took advantage of the situation. I mean there's a whole alt-right wave of pro-civil war folks that are just waiting for something like this. Whether it can move beyond cosplay and internet chatter is another question.

 

[Pickman's model]

I don't think it's likely to come to actual independence, but there's plenty of small right wing/militia groups opposed to the federal government and the left (look at things like Waco, Ruby Ridge, etc.) that could act as a spark for a different wave of unrest and instability if they took advantage of the situation.

i would expect that any such groups and individuals would be less likely to act while trump is in the white house. biden, should he win, may have a rather more difficult time with right wing organisations. but trump is so concerned about them i understand he has stopped federal oversight of them - there are, i think, no resources for investigating them now. Trump officials have redirected resources from countering far-right, racism-fueled domestic terrorism

 

[phillm]

Yucaipa, CA as a sample of what Trump is pushing. Apparently a deeply racist town to start with but now with out and out white supremacists in the street, armed and drinking. Small protest that there was, was attacked.

Yup serious MAGA folk there.

 

[Gimigimi]

What was there to protest about in 1968? Housing and college were cheap then? Doubtless college was cheaper in 1945 but still utterly out of reach for a vast number of people, so much so that the gi bill with its (as I understand) free college for veterans made a vast difference to a huge number of people. But really, what was there to protest about in 1968? Not to mention the utter shit you post about the poor and about housing. I am astonished you claim that's a decent answer to poor treelover's post

When I said "what was there to protest about" I was speaking as a member of the "silent majority" that was being asked about. The ones who voted Nixon in. I'm well aware that there was a lot to protest about in 1968, my point was just that the economy is relatively worse now and that that's a difference that makes people less inclined towards maintaining the status quo. Sorry if that wasn't clear, and sorry that I posted shit about the poor and housing apparently. I'm not a historian or anything I just felt like responding at length to the question he asked.

 

[JimW]

Washington DC is not a state so does not have a governor, the mayor is the big kahuna in town.

The big kahuna burgher?

 

[bimble]

The President just tweeted a poll claiming that 58 % of Americans support sending in the military .

 

[MickiQ]

The President just tweeted a poll claiming that 58 % of Americans support sending in the military .

Trump doesn't strike me as a reliable data source

 

[Sprocket.]

If there is a major bloodbath due to the tangerine pudding unleashing the military on its own citizens. Will the rest of the world issue sanctions and boycotts? I doubt it.

 

[bimble]

Trump doesn't strike me as a reliable data source

No. This is where he got it from I think. It’s long. https://assets.morningconsult.com/w...9/2005131_crosstabs_POLICE_RVs_FINAL_LM-1.pdf

 

[8ball]

Trump doesn't strike me as a reliable data source

But to be fair, he worked out, possibly by himself, that he needed to make up a number between 50 and 100.

 

[Pickman's model]

When I said "what was there to protest about" I was speaking as a member of the "silent majority" that was being asked about. The ones who voted Nixon in. I'm well aware that there was a lot to protest about in 1968, my point was just that the economy is relatively worse now and that that's a difference that makes people less inclined towards maintaining the status quo. Sorry if that wasn't clear, and sorry that I posted shit about the poor and housing apparently. I'm not a historian or anything I just felt like responding at length to the question he asked.

i'm sorry i can't go on what you are aware of, but by what you post.

 

[Ax^]

The President just tweeted a poll claiming that 58 % of Americans support sending in the military .

let me guess that a fox news related poll

the last bastallion of the non msm news

as Marty would say

 

[DaveCinzano]

Bastallion la vista baby

 

[bimble]

Pretty grim. Small sample etc but 3/4 white republicans are well up for the army attacking the protestors according to that poll.

 

[Pickman's model]

Pretty grim. Small sample etc but 3/4 white republicans are well up for the army attacking the protestors according to that pole.


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er what you've posted says they would support the military acting in support of the civil power. i don't know from where you derive 'the army attacking the protesters' out of 'calling in the us military to supplement city police forces', but i'd like to find out.

 

[bimble]

er what you've posted says they would support the military acting in support of the civil power. i don't know from where you derive 'the army attacking the protesters' out of 'calling in the us military to supplement city police forces', but i'd like to find out.

Eh? What do you mean what do you think the army supporting the police would look like?

 

[Pickman's model]

Eh? What do you mean what do you think the army supporting the police would look like?

it could look like a lot of things, one of which is the army attacking protesters. other actions are available: as i have suggested above the army where deployed may act belligerently, but equally they may act to calm the situation down.

 

[Orang Utan]

it could look like a lot of things, one of which is the army attacking protesters. other actions are available: as i have suggested above the army where deployed may act belligerently, but equally they may act to calm the situation down.

They’re not there to calm the cops down

 

[YouSir]

it could look like a lot of things, one of which is the army attacking protesters. other actions are available: as i have suggested above the army where deployed may act belligerently, but equally they may act to calm the situation down.

Takes a lot of faith in the US army and those in command of it to peg those two possibilities as equal. Even more of a leap to assume that Trump loyalist Republicans even want them to/believe they will 'calm' the situation.

 

[bimble]

it could look like a lot of things, one of which is the army attacking protesters. other actions are available: as i have suggested above the army where deployed may act belligerently, but equally they may act to calm the situation down.

lol