Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

[treelover]

you don't know, as i don't, what precipitated that attack. there isn't any video of the previous five minutes which might offer an answer to the why.

as for attacking members of the public, often enough riots are between groups of the public, eg fascists and anti-fascists. it's not neat and tidy. shit happens in riots. they are not pretty things, and the most horrendous things happen to people who frankly don't deserve them. but we don't know what happened here, not based on cyril_smear's video, and so while i am sure if that was all the story we'd all line up against the assailants, there's very possibly rather more to the incident than is recorded on the film. especially if she is as mobile as the later images suggest.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EZI7f89XkAE6DQP?format=jpg&name=small

Yes like this, health clinic trashed and looted

 

[DexterTCN]

Which bit? The bit where she has a knife or the bit where she gets out of the chair and walks?

The bit where she blocks the fire door.

 

[Pickman's model]

George Floyd killing: journalist arrested while reporting on Minneapolis protest; Trump calls protesters 'thugs' - as it happened

Minnesota governor has called on the national guard and Minneapolis has declared a local emergency

www.theguardian.com

The thing is, the primarily young protesters photographed outside the burning cop station will be put away for a long time, Trump will make sure of it,

I thinks its great they are on the streets overall, but would also like to see them protest about the now many millions unemployed, the gulags, prisons full of young minority men

you mean you'd like to see them under control, demonstrating with placards and paper sales.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Just saw it. Unbelievable. Here it is.



I thought the police were just staying away but no they’re doing this.

Fucking idiots.

 

[treelover]

Like you I know my history, when its over, the big shops pull out, investment disappears, etc.

 

[Pickman's model]

I didn't say I was outraged by it, you are assuming I did. I don't have an opinion either way because I don't know the in and outs of the cats arse.

i didn't say you were outraged by it.

 

[ska invita]

. I don't have an opinion either way

yeah right - classic troll excuse

 

[DotCommunist]

Filth just nicked a CNN crew whilst they were live on air. The stupidity of the average American cop is truly staggering.

back in chicago 68 they were beating the shit out of journos and protestors indiscriminately, they were and are out of control

 

[cyril_smear]

yeah right - classic troll excuse

the only opinion i had was what's on the video - a knife wielding woman in a wheelchair gets blasted with a fire extinguisher while trying to stab people. It's ridiculous. You couldn't make it up.

 

[ginger_syn]

I didn't say I was outraged by it, you are assuming I did. I don't have an opinion either way because I don't know the in and outs of the cats arse.

Then why post.

 

[cyril_smear]

Then why post.

I'm out.

 

[butchersapron]

Just saw it. Unbelievable. Here it is.



I thought the police were just staying away but no they’re doing this.

And this:

Large group of officers lined up in front of George Floyd killers house

 

[Louis MacNeice]

the only opinion i had was what's on the video - a knife wielding woman in a wheelchair gets blasted with a fire extinguisher while trying to stab people. It's ridiculous. You couldn't make it up.

It's not an opinion your lacking but a backbone.

Louis MacNeice

 

[Treacle Toes]

the OP asked for news and views. We all know the underlying reasons for these riots starting, and I woulodn't be able to relate them as articualetly as many others probably already have.

It's quite easy. Systemic racism. White Supremacist culture. Public executions/lynchings of Black people since forever.

 

[ginger_syn]

I'll believe that when I see it ,(in reply to cyril smear ,thought I'd quoted)

 

[Pickman's model]

back in chicago 68 they were beating the shit out of journos and protestors indiscriminately, they were and are out of control

this is cops in riots. it's what they do. it does everyone a disservice to suggest that they're out of control when the truth is they just don't care - and they're doing what they're told to. when the cops smashed the climate camp in london in 2009 they were not 'out of control' but following the orders they'd been given. i am sure the same is the case here.

 

[bimble]

Is he (the killer) still inside his house not in custody or anything? Officer Chauvin that’s his name .

 

[planetgeli]

I've been on a mass picket where the police went ape-shit, under orders, taking down the ITN camera crew (first by smashing the camera lights, then setting on the crew).

So don't anyone think "Only in America". This was under Thatcher by the way.

I was unfortunate enough to be taking a kicking under their camera at the same time. This was shown on News at Ten. So I know that footage exists. I've done thorough searches for that quite recently. Footage is available of a bit of argy-bargy just before the incident. ITN have an archive for which you have to pay for further footage of that night. The camera crew taking down, and my kicking, is now presumably behind that 'pay-wall'.

 

[sunnysidedown]

 

[treelover]

And this:

Large group of officers lined up in front of George Floyd killers house

that would happen here if similar

 

[Pickman's model]

Like you I know my history, when its over, the big shops pull out, investment disappears, etc.

you don't seem to have been following current events, where the economy is being flushed down the toilet in america. investment?

 

[Flavour]

this feels like it has the potential to spread and worsen nationwide. the situation with Covid, where 40 million people (which is what? 20% of the working population? More) have lost their jobs in two months, not to mention the death-count and toll the medical bills will be taking on so many families, the anger and the frustration are at boiling point. oh, and there are guns everywhere. recipe for disaster. all the culture wars lead to this, talk of civil war, etc. this is going to get very ugly

 

[Crispy]

Never a bad time to listen to the "It Could Happen Here" podcast

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(episodes listed in reverse order. Start at the bottom)

 

[Pickman's model]

Like you I know my history, when its over, the big shops pull out, investment disappears, etc.

on second thoughts i don't think you know your history at all

there is often significant investment in areas which have had riots, at least in the uk. see eg tottenham, liverpool

 

[ice-is-forming]

I thought this was an excellent piece of reporting from an Aus reporter for channel 9, live from the street..

 

[Sprocket.]

It seems as though a slow taper has been burning for a long time in the US.
The pointless deaths of Afro-Americans that seem to be endless as well as the Covid-19 devastation has just put more fuel on this tinderbox.
So many opportunities missed because of intolerance and fear.
Innocents will die, the guilty walk free, again.

 

[Yuwipi Woman]

Like you I know my history, when its over, the big shops pull out, investment disappears, etc.

I know this is a little OT, and part of a much larger discussion, but....

I'm not certain having large national chains invest in a community is a good thing. I've watched Walmart and Dollar General tear apart rural communities. They move in with economy of scales that locally-run businesses can't match. They get run out of business. All of the people who worked there get fired and if they're lucky they get a job at Walmart. Walmart pays them shit wages which get sucked right back into Walmart when the employees spend their wages there. So the money doesn't circulate around a community or create jobs in local businesses. Total number of jobs declines. The quality of services and education declines. The next generation has to move to the city to survive and the community disintegrates further and often dies altogether.

 

[Treacle Toes]

It seems as though a slow taper has been burning for a long time in the US.
The pointless deaths of Afro-Americans that seem to be endless as well as the Covid-19 devastation has just put more fuel on this tinderbox.
So many opportunities missed because of intolerance and fear.
Innocents will die, the guilty walk free, again.

They are executions. Modern day lynchings. They are not merely 'deaths' and they represent many things that are not 'pointless' they are deliberate, numerous, have been happening since forever.

 

[Sprocket.]

They are executions. Modern day lynchings. They are not merely 'deaths' and they represent many things that are not 'pointless' they are deliberate, numerous, have been happening since forever.

Sorry for any offence, in no way would I want to de-emphasise the murdering of people.

 

[bimble]

I can’t understand the order to handcuff the black cnn reporter whilst he is standing there reporting live to the nation. Police attacking journalists not unusual but that was something else. They don’t answer when he asks what he’s being arrested for they don’t speak at all. If it’s a message it’s fuck you all we have the President on our side and can do exactly whatever we like?