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Is America burning? (Black Lives Matter protests, civil unrest and riots 2020)

kabbes said:
If TomUS’s arguments here aren’t in collaboration with state forces that want to subjugate whole sections of the population, I don’t know what would be. He exemplifies that position.
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There was some better (or at least, less loaded) terminology in a piece of writing that was linked to on an unrelated thread - it was something like "system aligned" and.. something else.
 
krtek a houby said:
Next up... antifa and BLM are the real fascists.... :facepalm:
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Well, quite - we've been here before with TomUS. The thing is, he seems to think it's OK to call out what he sees as "totalitarian" language when other people use it, but he was way more than happy to fire off all kinds of emotive, and factually incorrect, claims about the motives and behaviour of what he clearly sees as the opposition.

So it's only totalitarian if it doesn't fit with his worldview, otherwise it's just peachy. Great :rolleyes:
 
VfromtheG said:
But you are evidently a class traitor and a .. bootlicker TomUS :)
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You repeat totalitarian terminology, which leads me to believe you have totalitarian sympathies. I object to anarchists trashing and looting the downtown core of the city in which I live in the name of the BLM movement. These rioters were simply leftist fanatics who enjoyed smashing things up. The destruction and looting of downtown, including the the Apple store, which had been made light of, resulted in the elimination of many working class jobs. That seems to mean nothing to some to claim to care deeply about the working class.
 
You see the majority of protesters were non violent .
The problem is that you are a racist/class traitor who has selected bullshit media stories which back your perspective .
 
TomUS said:
You repeat totalitarian terminology, which leads me to believe you have totalitarian sympathies. I object to anarchists trashing and looting the downtown core of the city in which I live in the name of the BLM movement. These rioters were simply leftist fanatics who enjoyed smashing things up. The destruction and looting of downtown, including the the Apple store, which had been made light of, resulted in the elimination of many working class jobs. That seems to mean nothing to some to claim to care deeply about the working class.
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Damn, I forgot about how Apple had gone bankrupt after someone broke their windows, RIP Apple. 😢 Especially tragic as there's been absolutely no other factors impacting on the retail and service sector over the last year, all other shops and service-oriented businesses except the ones that got looted by the bad anarchists have been doing a roaring trade over the past 12 months.
 
VfromtheG said:
You see the majority of protesters were non violent .
The problem is that you are a racist/class traitor who has selected bullshit media stories which back your perspective .
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The majority of right wing pro-Trump supporters in DC on Jan 6 were non-violent also. About 2 % of the mob stormed the capitol. The whole movement was and continues to be dangerous. The % that were non-violent doesn't mean much. The results are what matter.
 
VfromtheG said:
You see the majority of protesters were non violent .
The problem is that you are a racist/class traitor who has selected bullshit media stories which back your perspective .
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Tbh, I think that getting into the distinction of "violent" vs "non violent" protesters is to cede territory to these liberal counter-insurgency divs. It's good that the police now have to worry about consequences when they kill people. If the cops kill someone, and they now have to deal with the possibility that it might lead to their station getting burned down and/or them not being able to get any sleep because of how loudly TomUS is crying over some windows, that's a positive development.
 
TomUS said:
You repeat totalitarian terminology, which leads me to believe you have totalitarian sympathies. I object to anarchists trashing and looting the downtown core of the city in which I live in the name of the BLM movement. These rioters were simply leftist fanatics who enjoyed smashing things up. The destruction and looting of downtown, including the the Apple store, which had been made light of, resulted in the elimination of many working class jobs. That seems to mean nothing to some to claim to care deeply about the working class.
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Yes, let's look at some of TomUS's "totalitarian terminology", just from this post.

"anarchists" - he had it repeatedly pointed out to him that the people he was objecting to weren't anarchists, but all kinds of groups with perfectly legitimate causes to protest. But no, they have to be "anarchists"

"trashing and looting" - again, he wore on about this at length, in complete defiance of the fact that the damage was far more limited than he claimed, and quite a lot of it was perpetrated by the very people his "anarchists" were there to protest against. But hey, we're starting to confuse him with the facts, now...

"simply leftist fanatics" - another vast catch-all which basically encompasses "people I fear or don't like" from TomUS's perspective.

"which had been made light of" - TomUS was very cross when his leaden announcement that an Apple store had been damaged wasn't taken entirely seriously, happening as it did in the context of armed individuals shooting at each other, people being picked up in unmarked vans and driven away, and violent and oppressive police responses to calm demonstrations. But no, THEY DARED TO LAY A FINGER ON THE...APPLE STORE :mad::eek::facepalm:". Good to know where your priorities lie, TomUS.

And the sad thing is, Tom started off on this tack of "totalitarian terminology" while apparently being completely ignorant of how much of a pot/kettle this situation is in regard to his own attitudes. Hold up a mirror, Tom. You should appear in it. Take a good look.
 
TomUS said:
The majority of right wing pro-Trump supporters in DC on Jan 6 were non-violent also. About 2 % of the mob stormed the capitol. The whole movement was and continues to be dangerous. The % that were non-violent doesn't mean much. The results are what matter.
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Cool . As you go about your daily life TomUS, please bear in mind you are a racist class traitor of a cunt and what that might mean to the people around you. This could explain unexpected reactions you have been receiving ?
 
existentialist said:
Yes, let's look at some of TomUS's "totalitarian terminology", just from this post.

"trashing and looting" - again, he wore on about this at length, in complete defiance of the fact that the damage was far more limited than he claimed, and quite a lot of it was perpetrated by the very people his "anarchists" were there to protest against. But hey, we're starting to confuse him with the facts, now...

And the sad thing is, Tom started off on this tack of "totalitarian terminology" while apparently being completely ignorant of how much of a pot/kettle this situation is in regard to his own attitudes. Hold up a mirror, Tom. You should appear in it. Take a good look.
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That reminds me, sort of possibly off-topic but not really - I learned a fascinating bit of history the other day, which is that "loot", like thug, is an Indian word that entered the English language via British colonialism in India and the conflicts that went along with that:
The roots of “loot” lie in Anglo-Indian, the argot that developed during the British colonization of the Indian subcontinent. In the language of Hindi, known in colonial times as Hindustani, “lut” referred to the spoils of war pillaged from an enemy. “Lut” in turn was derived from a Sanskrit root, “lotram” or “loptram,” meaning “plunder.” Etymologists trace it to a Proto-Indo-European form, “reup,” meaning “to snatch” (the source for words like “rob,” “usurp,” and “erupt”).

In 1773, Captain John Fergusson of the British East India Company provided a snapshot of colonial usage in his “Dictionary of the Hindostan Language.” He defined “loot” as “booty, depredation, spoil, plunder, pillage,” along with related forms such as “loot-walla” meaning “plunderer.” As Henry Yule and A.C. Burnell explained in “Hobson-Jobson,” their comprehensive Anglo-Indian glossary of 1903, “loot” worked its way into English slang thanks to a series of conflicts in the mid-19th century, culminating in the Indian Rebellion of 1857, also called the Sepoy Mutiny...

Indeed, the British proved especially rapacious in the looting of their colonies. In a public lecture at Oxford University in 1884, John Ruskin said, “Every mutiny, every danger, every terror, and every crime, occurring under, or paralyzing, our Indian legislation, arises directly out of our national desire to live on the loot of India.” When the Indian politician Shashi Tharoor spoke to the Oxford Union debating society in 2015, he observed that British colonialists profited handsomely from the plunder of India, “taking the Hindi word ‘loot’ into their dictionaries as well as their habits.”

As a noun and verb, “loot” got extended in English beyond wartime pillaging to the taking of goods by force more generally, often in chaotic situations like urban unrest. In accounts of the race riots of the 1960s, the term “looters” frequently went hand in hand with “thugs.” Mr. Trump echoed that rhetoric in his “looting” tweet, labeling the Minneapolis demonstrators “THUGS” in all capitals.

“Thug,” as it happens, is another term that owes its origins to British colonialism in India. The word entered English via stories—largely apocryphal—of murderous highway robbers belonging to the Thuggee cult. It’s notable that both “thugs” and “looters” are rooted in a bygone imperial era in which colonized subjects were portrayed as inherently violent. As we grapple with the causes of the current protests, our lexicon doesn’t always transcend those unfortunate historical resonances.
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Funny how history works, innit?
 
TomUS said:
You repeat totalitarian terminology, which leads me to believe you have totalitarian sympathies. I object to anarchists trashing and looting the downtown core of the city in which I live in the name of the BLM movement. These rioters were simply leftist fanatics who enjoyed smashing things up. The destruction and looting of downtown, including the the Apple store, which had been made light of, resulted in the elimination of many working class jobs. That seems to mean nothing to some to claim to care deeply about the working class.
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How do you like them apples?
 
TomUS said:
In the entire downtown area?.......many more than that. But let's say is was 75. Do those 75 people mean nothing to you? Is class struggle everything no matter what the human cost?
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It wasn't "antifa" or "anarchists" who got rid of those jobs. They don't decide who to hire and fire. It was Apple. They have more than enough money to continue operations should they choose.

So in fact it is Apple to whom those 75 people mean nothing. They're not people with livelihoods as far as Apple is concerned, they are just an expense that can be dispensed with.
 
NoXion said:
It wasn't "antifa" or "anarchists" who got rid of those jobs. They don't decide who to hire and fire. It was Apple. They have more than enough money to continue operations should they choose.

So in fact it is Apple to whom those 75 people mean nothing. They're not people with livelihoods as far as Apple is concerned, they are just an expense that can be dispensed with.
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Also, assuming we're talking about Portland, the Portland Apple store has now been re-opened: Apple’s downtown Portland store reopens Monday after nearly nine months
 
TomUS said:
You repeat totalitarian terminology, which leads me to believe you have totalitarian sympathies. I object to anarchists trashing and looting the downtown core of the city in which I live in the name of the BLM movement. These rioters were simply leftist fanatics who enjoyed smashing things up. The destruction and looting of downtown, including the the Apple store, which had been made light of, resulted in the elimination of many working class jobs. That seems to mean nothing to some to claim to care deeply about the working class.
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You accept no system beyond liberal capitalism, a system responsible for the highest mass murder body count in the history of the world, where the law is based on the right of the money-bags to exploit the have-not. Meanwhile, you are deaf to the views of anyone who dares to question this vile set up. You sir, are the totalitarian... and a cunt.
 
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