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Indiana Jones 4

A day before I went to see Indy4, I dream about it (without even reading much on the film beforehand). I dreamt about the very thing the skulls related to at the end of the film. Freaky. :hmm:
 
I don't care what anyone says about this film I loved it!!

It's more like a homage to Indiana Jones rather than fitting neatly in the style of the previous ones, but still very good

I've heard people say it was too far fetched, but have they not seen the ending to ROTLA ffs?!

Others say there's too many Indy clichés, but let's face it, isn't that the reason we're all off to see it in the first place??
 
That's a good point cyberrose. Apart from the kiddles who don't know any better, the majority of people seeing it are nostalgia tourists, trying to recapture something from long ago and feel part of something – or some such sociological bollocks.
 
You have superlative taste.;)

Indeed :cool:

I've decided Mr Paw can go on his own. I've never been a massive fan of the IJ franchise anyway, and I'm sure he'll enjoy it more without me tutting all the way through just to annoy him ;)

I'll stay in with my pyjamas, a blanket, and finish reading my book :p

He's still coming to see Sex and the City with me later this week though :D
 
Brilliant summary of much that was shit about the film. You're a sight more charitable than me though.

Bizarrely, Iron Man was way better than it should have been though, so I guess I achieved film karma over the weekend.


Robert whatsisname MADE that film
 
i've talked with 3 people who saw IJ4 and all of them said it was bad...they couldn't even follow the story
 
i've talked with 3 people who saw IJ4 and all of them said it was bad...they couldn't even follow the story


Its not that complicated. Some bits appear to make no sense, but the plot is there to facillitate ancient templage and excellently ridiculous chase scenes.


The fight with the chief baddie's main henchman is utterly ludicrous.
 
We went tonight and thought it was excellent fun. Big bangs, riding over waterfalls, funny tricks with the gunpowder (and yes, gunpowder's not magnetic, and neither's gold - that point was actually made in the film itself), cool aliens, sweet old people love story - it was totally enjoyable.

Our cinema was packed (which is nice - it's a small independant cinema and that film's probably been part of the reason why it can afford to show so many independant films), and the queue for the ladies' loos ended up singing the theme tune together.

My nine-year-old followed the plot; I'm really not sure how anyone managed to get lost by it.

I found the whole thing quite uplifting, and none of you sadbastard critics are going to change that. :D

I went to see this yesterday with no expectations, and it really is a bit of a mess. But there was a scene which has stayed with me quite strongly since watching it, and that was Indy walking up to look up at the blast from the bomb. That scene was truly horrific yet visually beautiful. As a child of the 80's that resonated quite unexpectedly with me.

Yeah. It could almost go on the 'unexpectedly moving moments in films' thread.

It's prompted a renewed discussion (between me and my daughter) about nuclear weapons, how bad they are, and how unlikely you would be to survive just by hiding in a lead-lined fridge.
 
Yeah. It could almost go on the 'unexpectedly moving moments in films' thread.

It's prompted a renewed discussion (between me and my daughter) about nuclear weapons, how bad they are, and how unlikely you would be to survive just by hiding in a lead-lined fridge.

I think that is what made it work so well, the imagery is so well done (insofar as I would imagine it might actually look like that) that it really conveyed the power of what had been unleashed - which was quite a change from the moments immediately preceeding it with Indy climbing in to the refridgerator (people were laughing in the cinema at this point).

It will stay with me for a long time.
 
The cliched stereotype that Jaed relies on for his tiresome dig is that a professional journalist-type can only ever really be interested in 'art-house' fillums, and can't possibly understand the sheer fun and abandon needed for a brainless action flic - little does he seem to realise that action flics can be great or shite just like any art-house film, and the measure of their greatness depends on their knowing use and subversion of accepted standards within the genre.

Thats because you *are* that stereotype... You're trying to spend time critiquing a film that shows a man surviving a nuclear bomb test in a fridge... Its fine family fun on a wet Bank Holiday. Ready anything heavy into it is pointless. I could mention the plot relies on a deus ex, and is heavily sign-posted from the first minutes but it would picky. All the other Indy films have farily obvious plots so its not a new thing...

That's just shit in any genre, and it patronises the audience - and audience, mind you, that Speilberg knew full well would be full of late 20 and 30-somethings who are experienced and movie-literate enough to expect something of a higher quality.

Its an action film... The last Indy films and silly, over-the-top action sequences and ropey believability. But when most people here saw they where 12 so they didn't pretend to be Barry Normon.
 
Sorry, Jaed. There is good shit and bad shit, often within the same canon.

Good shit:

Old star wars films
Die Hard
Terminator 1 and 2
Predator

Bad shit:

New star wars films
Die Hard 4
Aliens vs Predator

Awful, dreadful, abysmal shit:

Spawn
Lost In Space
Shakespeare In Love
Closer

(Well, to be honest, Shakespeare in love probably falls under the remit of being a 'bad good film', one which has pretensions to being something arty and great but is in fact fucking wank. Closer also comes under that one. But I put it here just to be irritating)
 
I think the point is that something has to be good within itself. It's all very well saying "Well it's just entertainment" but if we used that as measurement, we could let anything off the hook, including the very worst Steven Seagal films and whatever. As Wookey said, there's good, well made 'entertainment' fluff, and there's bad versions of same.
 
I was never expecting this film to be any good (maybe slightly amusing) but this thread really has put me off, why do I still have to watch it :confused: and I'll probably even watch a dodgy cam.
 
Sorry, Jaed. There is good shit and bad shit, often within the same canon.

Not sure why you have to classify something either "good" or "bad". Somethings are good at what they do, but won't stand up as classics. (But I've noticed that films that are official classics are usually ones that where panned at times.

Some films are to be enjoyed for what they are. Not sure why everything needs to be analyzed and critiqued all the time, especially mindless action films.

Oh, and looking at reviews of the old Indy films, they where sometimes though as silly... Ie, the dropping out of a plan in a lifeboat and surviving... :D
 
Sorry, Jaed. There is good shit and bad shit, often within the same canon.

Good shit:

Old star wars films
Die Hard
Terminator 1 and 2
Predator

Bad shit:

New star wars films
Die Hard 4
Aliens vs Predator

Awful, dreadful, abysmal shit:

Spawn
Lost In Space
Shakespeare In Love
Closer

(Well, to be honest, Shakespeare in love probably falls under the remit of being a 'bad good film', one which has pretensions to being something arty and great but is in fact fucking wank. Closer also comes under that one. But I put it here just to be irritating)

You think Terminator is shit? Even good shit? You class it alongside those other, truly shit films? Your opinion means nothing. :mad::D
 
You think Terminator is shit? Even good shit? You class it alongside those other, truly shit films? Your opinion means nothing. :mad::D

Those films (i.e. Terminator, Die Hard, old Star Wars) are trashy films, essentially, but they are just done so well that they deserve to be classed as classics.
 
Those films (i.e. Terminator, Die Hard, old Star Wars) are trashy films, essentially, but they are just done so well that they deserve to be classed as classics.

Terminator is nowhere near Trashy - you can't put it in the same category as Die Hard at all. Well, you can, of course, but you shouldn't.
 
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