Independence for Wales?

[ddraig]

Typical, don't answer then
Not going to enter into a pedantry roundabout with you

 

[8ball]

That's really unfair. Lots of them are quite tall.

 

[editor]

I've had to recalibrate a lot of measures of uselessness recently, so am unsure of exact quantities, but is the gist that you want everything to be mismanaged by local useless cunts?

It'll certainly be a lot better than being mismanaged by Boris and his fuckwit Tory posh chums.

Devolution has already brought about substantive differences between England and Welsh political priorities and, in almost every case, I mightily prefer the Welsh take (prescription fees, coronavirus handling, tuition fees etc etc).

 

[editor]

That's really unfair. Lots of them are quite tall.

Stop it, please. Some people want a grown up discussion here.

 

[8ball]

It'll certainly be a lot better than being mismanaged by Boris and his fuckwit Tory posh chums.

Devolution has already brought about substantive differences between England and Welsh political priorities and, in almost every case, I mightily prefer the Welsh take (prescription fees, coronavirus handling, tuition fees etc etc).

Closed hospitals...

 

[8ball]

Stop it, please. Some people want a grown up discussion here.

Did a grown up IM you to confirm that? ;

Aaanyway. Was born and grew up in Wales. I know people on both sides with this debate. Not close enough to it to make a balanced assessment (you won't hear me singing the praises of Westminster), and stories of corruption and incompetence with the Senedd would be something I'd need to properly look up and corroborate (no one's account is really neutral).

It's a thing for the Welsh to decide in the end, but like with Brexit I suspect there is a substantial invisible "no" contingent.

The stuff about the size of the place isn't convincing, though, I'll grant that.

 

[existentialist]

Did a grown up IM you to confirm that? ;

Aaanyway. Was born and grew up in Wales. I know people on both sides with this debate. Not close enough to it to make a balanced assessment (you won't hear me singing the praises of Westminster), and stories of corruption and incompetence with the Senedd would be something I'd need to properly look up and corroborate (no one's account is really neutral).

It's a thing for the Welsh to decide in the end, but like with Brexit I suspect there is a substantial invisible "no" contingent.

The stuff about the size of the place isn't convincing, though, I'll grant that.

I had to check on the size of the place.

Apparently, it's the size of Wales

 

[8ball]

I had to check on the size of the place.

Apparently, it's the size of Wales

Not that the IU unit of deforestation is that relevant here.

 

[Shechemite]

No

 

[nogojones]

What's your issue with the Senedd?

Because even though large parts of policy are devolved, it happily hangs onto the coat tails of parliment.

Their Covid policy is marginally better in part than the English one, but only by a week and in some ways it's worse - forcing the return of schools before it's safe for example. Compare them to the rest of the world and they're pretty much as useless as the English

 

[Plumdaff]

There are massive problems with corruption and the lack of scrutiny the Senedd and Welsh councils receive on their largely dreadful record. Welsh Labour have passed up on chances to devolve the media because they are insipid twats. We desperately need good Welsh media coverage, especially in English. It's a tragedy it's taken a fucking pandemic for many people to even notice a lot of what's devolved. For me, it's another argument for independence. We're never going to get fair coverage when we're a small parochial afterthought (it's also an argument for far more localism within England).

nogojones I'd argue the school's policy is marginally better than England, where they forced going back in early June, and it was chaos because there was no actual policy. There was at least a planned staggered start here and an actual policy. But marginal.

 

[Tankus]

Sep 18, 2014

Tankus

• No .........happy to be Welsh and British
  As its topical its come up in quite a few conversations ...
  General consensus is that we would be exchanging one bunch of tossers in Westminster for another bunch of tossers in the assembly and wind up paying even more for even less .
  Highly unlikely we could afford our current benefit system on our own ...

• 6 years later and its still the same ..........No
  

 

[editor]

Love it

 

[planetgeli]

nogojones I'd argue the school's policy is marginally better than England, where they forced going back in early June, and it was chaos because there was no actual policy. There was at least a planned staggered start here and an actual policy. But marginal.

Sorry but I'm going to have to take issue with this. The return to school in Wales was the bit where I started to think Wales was in a competition with England for incompetence. There was no policy, there was no plan. Sure, the government made announcements. And none of these announcements had been made in conjunction with LEAs or unions. The return was chaos, a logistical nightmare and turned into a farce. A third of pupils at any one time was the 'policy' announced. With no ideas given to how this was achievable. Even the 'third of pupils' bit was a random figure plucked out of the air. It led to massive headaches for senior teaching staff trying to organise transport and timetables for what eventually became extremely limited childcare which was barely taken up. Also, the government initially, randomly, announced schools would go back for an extra week with a vague 'promise' we would get a two week half term in October. This had to be ditched when unions quite rightly went "You what?" Because nothing had been discussed let alone agreed and it would effectively have meant teaching staff working voluntarily in that week (because we are not paid for holidays) with a vague promise of getting it back in October. The whole thing was madness, a completely botched attempt to try and prove we were better than England in getting more kids back for longer. And it blew up spectacularly in the face of the Welsh government.

If anyone is interested, the 'plan' for return in September is almost as bad, only mitigated by having longer to sort it out. This time its 50% of kids in the first fortnight (which 50%?) followed by everyone by September 15th. It sort of sounds like a plan but it isn't. Its random numbers cobbled together with no regard for how things will be worked out.

 

[Plumdaff]

Sorry but I'm going to have to take issue with this. The return to school in Wales was the bit where I started to think Wales was in a competition with England for incompetence. There was no policy, there was no plan. Sure, the government made announcements. And none of these announcements had been made in conjunction with LEAs or unions. The return was chaos, a logistical nightmare and turned into a farce. A third of pupils at any one time was the 'policy' announced. With no ideas given to how this was achievable. Even the 'third of pupils' bit was a random figure plucked out of the air. It led to massive headaches for senior teaching staff trying to organise transport and timetables for what eventually became extremely limited childcare which was barely taken up. Also, the government initially, randomly, announced schools would go back for an extra week with a vague 'promise' we would get a two week half term in October. This had to be ditched when unions quite rightly went "You what?" Because nothing had been discussed let alone agreed and it would effectively have meant teaching staff working voluntarily in that week (because we are not paid for holidays) with a vague promise of getting it back in October. The whole thing was madness, a completely botched attempt to try and prove we were better than England in getting more kids back for longer. And it blew up spectacularly in the face of the Welsh government.

If anyone is interested, the 'plan' for return in September is almost as bad, only mitigated by having longer to sort it out. This time its 50% of kids in the first fortnight (which 50%?) followed by everyone by September 15th. It sort of sounds like a plan but it isn't. Its random numbers cobbled together with no regard for how things will be worked out.

It seemed marginally less farcical from outside, but you clearly know more about it than I do.

 

[nogojones]

It seemed marginally less farcical from outside, but you clearly know more about it than I do.

At one point they announced they were trying to get teachers to start working during the summer holiday to make up for lost learning time. Never bothered consulting the unions or any teachers. They're just a shower of cunts

 

[Pickman's model]

Sorry but I'm going to have to take issue with this. The return to school in Wales was the bit where I started to think Wales was in a competition with England for incompetence. There was no policy, there was no plan. Sure, the government made announcements. And none of these announcements had been made in conjunction with LEAs or unions. The return was chaos, a logistical nightmare and turned into a farce. A third of pupils at any one time was the 'policy' announced. With no ideas given to how this was achievable. Even the 'third of pupils' bit was a random figure plucked out of the air. It led to massive headaches for senior teaching staff trying to organise transport and timetables for what eventually became extremely limited childcare which was barely taken up. Also, the government initially, randomly, announced schools would go back for an extra week with a vague 'promise' we would get a two week half term in October. This had to be ditched when unions quite rightly went "You what?" Because nothing had been discussed let alone agreed and it would effectively have meant teaching staff working voluntarily in that week (because we are not paid for holidays) with a vague promise of getting it back in October. The whole thing was madness, a completely botched attempt to try and prove we were better than England in getting more kids back for longer. And it blew up spectacularly in the face of the Welsh government.

If anyone is interested, the 'plan' for return in September is almost as bad, only mitigated by having longer to sort it out. This time its 50% of kids in the first fortnight (which 50%?) followed by everyone by September 15th. It sort of sounds like a plan but it isn't. Its random numbers cobbled together with no regard for how things will be worked out.

the worst thing about the plan for september is you're going to be able to see the car crash coming much further in advance without being able to alter the direction of travel

 

[Pickman's model]

Love it

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yeh that's what independence will be, same auld shit but with some cheery red stickers

 

[editor]

yeh that's what independence will be, same auld shit but with some cheery red stickers

That's still better than the same auld shit with no cheery red stickers.

 

[Pickman's model]

That's still better than the same auld shit with no cheery red stickers.

5 years down the line there won't be any red stickers, those remaining up with be a lacklustre pink

 

[two sheds]

With Cornwall having once stretched up as far as Bristol could we make it Independence for Wales and Greater Cornwall please?

 

[ddraig]

 

[existentialist]

We'd have to reinstate the Swansea-Ilfracombe ferry. And maybe loads of others...

 

[Pickman's model]

With Cornwall having once stretched up as far as Bristol could we make it Independence for Wales and Greater Cornwall please?

my own pet project, for the re-establishment of the realm of magnus maximus, would, i think, take precedence

 

[nogojones]

We'd have to reinstate the Swansea-Ilfracombe ferry. And maybe loads of others...

The water taxi service planned between Cardiff and Bristol

Company hopes to introduce the hydrogen powered service later this year, and plans to follow it up with service between Cardiff, Newport and Ilfracombe

www.walesonline.co.uk

 

[platinumsage]

There are massive problems with corruption and the lack of scrutiny the Senedd and Welsh councils receive on their largely dreadful record. Welsh Labour have passed up on chances to devolve the media because they are insipid twats. We desperately need good Welsh media coverage, especially in English. It's a tragedy it's taken a fucking pandemic for many people to even notice a lot of what's devolved. For me, it's another argument for independence. We're never going to get fair coverage when we're a small parochial afterthought (it's also an argument for far more localism within England).

I’m trying to imagine my English county council given all the powers of nationhood, and the idea fills me with despair. I think these things need to happen gradually like Scotland, so the burgeoning government has time to be judged on its progress, and as politicians come and go a greater sense of responsibility and understanding of the new powers will hopefully develop.

 

[two sheds]

my own pet project, for the re-establishment of the realm of magnus maximus, would, i think, take precedence

Usurper

 

[Hyperdark]

I don't think Wales is capable of going it alone we can't balance the books.
Now we have left the EU this will become more evident as we recieve about £245 million PA more than we pay in, not a massive amount these days, but most of that money goes to less prosperous areas under the EU Regional Policy which seeks to balance prosperity in EU Countries, we are talking the Valleys here and these areas will suffer unless supported and unfortunately England is the only place we can go looking for hand outs post-brexit

Welsh independence makes little sense unless you are driven purely by patriotism

 

[wayward bob]

The water taxi service planned between Cardiff and Bristol

Company hopes to introduce the hydrogen powered service later this year, and plans to follow it up with service between Cardiff, Newport and Ilfracombe

www.walesonline.co.uk

hydrogen powered?

 

[nogojones]

hydrogen powered?

Roath Park Lake sure looks different these days