It's called the will of Parliament, as contained in the laws that they pass and the directions they give about the policing of the country.
As you well know.
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As you well know.
It wasn't the two groups I was comparing, it was the two principles. Have you had to take lessons to be this fucking thick?
Oh please you clown - the two are inextricably linked in your post. Stop with this revisionist nonsense and mealy mouthed bollocks
It's always someone else's fault with you. Folks are meant to buy (rich hypocritical irony) that everyone's continually misreading and misrepresenting your posts when in fact logic suggests that you're a precious numbskulll who should learn to write more fucking clearly and unambiguously.
Although, given your excuses here re. comparison - drawing artificial links between principle and groups that you specifically name for effect - then a little honesty on your part would be a mandatory too.
It's embarrassing frankly. I've taught first year exchange students who have a better grasp of the written word than you. At the very least they don't blame everyone else for misunderstanding them, nor burst out swearing at frequent intolerant intervals
It's always someone else's fault with you. Folks are meant to buy (rich hypocritical irony) that everyone's continually misreading and misrepresenting your posts when in fact logic suggests that you're a precious numbskulll who should learn to write more fucking clearly and unambiguously.
Although, given your excuses here re. comparison - drawing artificial links between principle and groups that you specifically name for effect - then a little honesty on your part would be a mandatory too.
It's embarrassing frankly. I've taught first year exchange students who have a better grasp of the written word than you. At the very least they don't blame everyone else for misunderstanding them, nor burst out swearing at frequent intolerant intervals
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
Sorry - I didn't mean to imply that you left under a cloud. I meant that they left because they couldn't stomach the culture. You flounced because you couldn't get your own way all the time.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Which, er, sort of entirely undermines the point that was being made that the reason I never saw any officers without numbers was that I was a senior officer and they would, er, worry that I would step in and tell them to sort it out ...
TSG don't give a fuck about non-TSG, non-TSG too crapping to tell TSG what to do.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Illustrates the point quite well. The chief super there is hardly going to start balling out the constable for no numbers in the middle of a rumpus, anymore than he's going to give the sergeant behind a dressing down for failing to ensure his men are properly attired.
xes
F.O.A.D
I hope they don't pay ... otherwise one day you'll find a whole queue of them at the door demanding their money back ...
No. Because, as I have explained in detail previously, I was not happy with the way the organisation was going and how the public were being lied to in relation to the policing services they received (i.e. I tried to do things properly, according to proper policies and procedures, and was constantly pressured into cutting corners. When I refused that brought me into conflict with the senior managers who were telling me to do the wrong thing.). It was not "all the time" and I was reasonable in what I expected, as it is not always possible to deliver everything exactly as promised. I did not insist that we deliver a Rolls-Royce policing model all the time, but I DID insist that we did our best to deliver a serviceable Ford Focus one.
Are you really suggesting that I was wrong to do this and that I should have just kept my mouth shut and gone along with what I was being told to do, even though it was wrong?
Bearing in mind your approach to policing, I should be one of your fucking heroes shouldn't I? ...
There is a certain arrogance about them and, like many specialist units, they have developed their own cultures and norms. I have posted many times about how they tend to be far more aggressive in interactions and far too ready to resort to force and arrest. Sadly many divisional officers, especially those on "response teams" seem to be adopting similar cultures ...
I'd disagree it's "in the middle of a rumpus". It appears quite calm. There does not appear to be any reason whatsoever why (a) the constable should not be directed to correct his dress; (b) the sergeant shouldn't be bollocked for allowing it to happen and / or (c) the Chief Supt couldn't take their details and deal with the matter later.
I think it is unlikely that any investigation will uncover sufficient grounds of any significant disciplinary offence (as I have previously posted simply not having numbers displayed is a relatively minor matter unless accompanied by aggravating circumstances such as an intent to commit a more serious offence or at the time of doing so) likely to lead to anything other than a reprimand ... but, in view of the sensitive nature of the issue, it IS worth asking the question by making a complaint. If nothing else it reminds senior officers that people are watching them, and how they are dealing with the issue.
xes
F.O.A.D
What exaggeration would that have been? The bit where I said that officers have some common knowledge of right and wrong as they've yet to lick a plug? yeah, sorry 'bout that.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
The fact that the police force treats it as a minor matter does not make it so. Surely you can see that? Coppers who don't wear numbers are almost invariably beating people up. I know - I used to spend most of my time on demos filming interviews coppers who had been seen committing violence - none of them ever had a number and none of them ever agreed to state what theirs was.
You're incredibly naive, given your background and experience.
gavman
pj slumpy
I wasn't making a "comparison between police officers and black youth" you fucking idiot. I was simply providing another example of what would be a fuckwitted generalisation.
No. Only a prejudiced cunt would attempt to justify ANY stereotyping, on the basis of ANY characteristic is the action.
Will you now at least concede that you are a prejudiced cunt?
so to class a member of the ku klux klan as a racist would be an unjustified prejudice, then?
of course not. they have chosen to join and be part of an organisation with a culture of racism and prejudice that elevates the priorities of one group, to the detriment of others
ring any bells?
gavman
pj slumpy
attempting to pervert the course of justice
gavman
pj slumpy
A senior officer at G20 not wearing a number....
standing next to anotherblood spattered officer not wearing a number....
corrected for you
gavman
pj slumpy
all that means is that he knows why they left, but not you.
good luck with the action. you fucking dickhead
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
corrected for you
Could be jam from his donuts. Fucker looks like he's familiar enough with Krispy Kreme.
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
No, I know why he left. He's explained it enough times. He flounced.
By "honourable reasons" I meant seeing the force for what it is and leaving out of a sense of moral rectitude. Flouncing because people don't do what you want them to however many times you stamp your feet is not honourable, it's childish.
Do you really think that simply not displaying your ID numbers, with no aggravating factors at all, would lead to anything other than a simple disciplinary warning? *
And are you really arguing that sacking an officer for it, at a cost of hundreds of thosands of pounds to the public purse in the cost of training, etc. now wasted, is justifiable and proportionate?
And are you really so naive to think that any such action would survive challenge in an employment tribunal?
(* And before you go off on one again, I have REPEATEDLY differentiated between a simple failure to wear numbers and not wearing numbers in circumstances where it can be shown there is an ulterior motive or where other malpractice is happening)
So now you're equating the police service with the fucking Ku Klux Klan. Jesus fucking wept, what the fuck is it with you pricks?
Proper Tidy
Arsed
Do you really think that simply not displaying your ID numbers, with no aggravating factors at all, would lead to anything other than a simple disciplinary warning?
And are you really arguing that sacking an officer for it, at a cost of hundreds of thosands of pounds to the public purse in the cost of training, etc. now wasted, is justifiable and proportionate?
And are you really so naive to think that any such action would survive challenge in an employment tribunal?
Surely the aggravating factor would be in the offence itself? It begs the question of why an officer would hide or obscure their numbers, and the only reasonable answer is surely that they do not wish to be identified. Why would an officer not wish to be identified unless they are planning to act above and beyond what is permitted in law?
I don't see why an officer obscuring their numbers is any different to, for example, a would-be burglar going tooled up.
DexterTCN
Troy and Abed in the morning
Gee...really? Never see that with police types.
If you were to start a libel action would they investigate your character in relation to the people you're bringing it against? We'd get your name and picture for that, I suppose.
Oh...and regarding the racist thing...I believe the police were branded as institutionally racist some time back, seems to be fair comment.
Especially considering the way you talk to people.
You certainly come across as that type.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
that's hardly 'the democratic will of the people', is it. i don't think you can say that, for example, the local government finance act 1988 was the will of the people. the will of parliament and the will of the people are two entirely separate things.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
So now you're equating the police service with the fucking Ku Klux Klan. Jesus fucking wept, what the fuck is it with you pricks?
i agree
the police service in this country has never had the popularity the kkk has enjoyed in the past.So you are arguing that I should have stayed, even though (a) senior officers were misrepresenting to the public the service they could expect; (b) I was being told to cut corners, etc. to deliver "performance targets" and fuck the quality of service delivered to particular victims or their families and (c) having raised those issues a number of times I was not only ignored but basically targeted as a troublemaker? Yes?
And how exactly does that square with your incessant demands that police officers challenge malpractice and, if it is not corrected, cease having anything to do with the organisation?
Face it, I have done exactly what you would expect a principled officer to do. But you just can't bring yourself to acknowledge that, can you.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
little sir echo
