How are we going to get rid of Kate Hoey
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colacubes
Mr Hot Cookie
No. He’d have to quit as a Lord if he won.Can you be a Lord and an MP
It’s what Tony Benn did years ago although that was trickier as he was a hereditary peer.
Gramsci
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Can you be a Lord and an MP
No.
He is hedging his bets. He will only stand down if elected.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I think you are right. Looking him up more and he's been described as a "moderate moderate".
He is the prime example of the "centre" ground politician of the Blair / Cameron era.
Starting out in the SDP, then LD then Labour ( under Blair) and then working with Cameron/ Osbourne.
His friends say he is a doer not an ideologue.
Very much representative of the centre ground politics that appeared to be the "end of history" once Communism fell.
Profile: Lord Andrew Adonis
He did stand as candidate for MEP in South West under Labour banner. Lost. South West (where I came from) is totally split between Remainers ( Greens / LDs) and Brexit party. MEPs in South West are three Brexit and two LD/ one Green.
South West Region - 6 MEPs
As during the English Civil War the area is totally divided.
Labour parties position in the middle trying to bring together both sides didn't work.
So what Adonis , paradoxically for a centre politician , is saying is to Remain.
I'm think that is why he is standing. To have platform to publicly ciriticise leadership of Labour party.
All very strange that such a non ideological doer is finding himself taking sides.
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BusLanes
Pedestrian
Lord ADonis seems to have made it official yesterday
http://www.adonisforvauxhall.com
It's quite slick
Then someone else in the local party wrote an annoyed article about the selection process
How to solve a problem like Vauxhall - LabourList
http://www.adonisforvauxhall.com
It's quite slick
Then someone else in the local party wrote an annoyed article about the selection process
How to solve a problem like Vauxhall - LabourList
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Joan Twelves article in Labour List is spot on - from her point of view.
I guess the Adonis question might indicate how cynical the Labour party is in order to halt a Lib Dem challenge. It might even have the advantage to them of further muddying the waters following the reversed conference vote on the Labour line in a referendum vote two weeks ago. Ask Jenny Formby.
Meanwhile Paul Mason, another leftie from the same neck of the woods as Joan Twelves has come out - in effect - for Margaret Becket as caretaker PM. In the I newspaper today he writes a detailed article whose peroration ends thus:
"Here's how I think this crisis is going to play out. With luck, the European Union will reject Johnson's half-baked plan. On Saturday 19 October he will be forced by law to ask for an extension and will either defy the law or resign. If he does not resign, then come Monday 21 October, MPs will have to put up or shut up: there will be a vote of no confidence and Johnson's government will fall.
It will then take less than 24 hours to find out if Corbyn can form a government. If he can't then Labour supporters like me have to accept it as a fact and move on: the government we really care about is the one the comes out of an election. And not an election held with Johnson in charge – he has shown himself willing to break our unwritten constitution and his main advisor remains in contempt of parliament for refusal to answer questions over the conduct of the Leave campaign.
So once Johnson falls, and Corbyn can't form a government, I hope Labour MPs move swiftly to back a short term, and politically neutral, government led by Clarke, Beckett or even the Speaker, John Bercow, with a mandate for just two jobs: to ask Brussels for a Brexit delay and call an election in late November."
A neutral government could break the Brexit deadlock
Gramsci
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I think Paul Mason article is flawed.
the three people he puts up as leaders of a "neutral government" aren't neutral. Clarke and Beckett are full on Remainers. Bercow isn't trusted as being neutral on Brexit. Many Brexit supporters see him as Remainer. Something he hasn't gone out of his way to dispell.
So what is the problem with the leader of the main opposition party being caretaker leader?
Looked at rationally and Corbyn is more neutral than the three people that Mason puts forward.
I've two friends Labour party supporters criticising him for not being Remain enough. Pointed out to them his position was to accept the result. Negotiate a realistic leave option. Then put that to a confirmatory referendum. With a Remain option.
This imo is the neutral position.
Its not the position of LDs.
So what is the reason for not having Corbyn as caretaker leader of temporary government?
Its that he is not part of the middle class centre ground. He is beyond the pale. He isn't fit to run this country.
So the problem is Corbyn represents something that the centre ground can't stomach.
And Corbyn is the politician who is the extremist. He is not, The two extremes are Boris and his right wing cabinet and opposing them the so called centre ground. A motley crew of Tories, Labour and LDs MPs many of whom supported austerity and or Blair's Third Way. But are now aligning themselves as the saviours of centre ground UK. FFS.
Politics in this country is all over the place.
The centre ground- some Labour, some Tory and all the LDs would rather Boris win than have a Marxist in power for a few weeks.
I'm a Remainer but if this goes on Im going to say fuck the middle class centre and go for it Boris.
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Gramsci
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Let's get this straight.
The whole point of getting another referendum is that the Remainers think they might just win it.
I would prefer to Remain.
A narrow majority to Remain in second referendum is possible.
Its not however going to unite the country. Its going to lead to years of resentment.
The whole point of getting another referendum is that the Remainers think they might just win it.
I would prefer to Remain.
A narrow majority to Remain in second referendum is possible.
Its not however going to unite the country. Its going to lead to years of resentment.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
It's not the whole point but it is largely the point.
I think also by this point that given the governing faction of the Conservatives seems to be all in favour of a No Deal Crash libertarian deregulation then there is little chance of things going away nicely - like it may have been possible in 2016 had anyone in the Conservative leadership tried for a national consensus brexit (whatever that may have been)
Winot
I wholeheartedley agree with your viewpoint
I’m an arch Remainer and I’m not a Corbyn fan. But it seems pretty obvious to me that he should have the first crack at forming a government if Johnson falls. He’s the leader of the opposition after all.
I’d also not have a problem personally with him being caretaker PM to get an extension.
But as Mason says, if he has a crack and can’t command a majority, what then?
I’d also not have a problem personally with him being caretaker PM to get an extension.
But as Mason says, if he has a crack and can’t command a majority, what then?
Gramsci
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What an annoying website.
He is fully paid up member of Blair's Third Way.
He was terrible on housing.
This mixed community nonsense was about encouraging gentrification in practise.
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Gramsci
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The point is that Corbyn has put forward proposal for caretaker government.
These full on Remainers from other parties like LDs won't work with a "Marxist". That's the problem.
Its not about Corbyn. Its about the particular kind of Remain some of these die hard Remainers want.
They would rather scupper good opportunity than work with Corbyn. As they would see this as legitimising his politics.
I'm not a die hard Remainer. I was against leaving as I didn't like the anti immigration side in the leaving campaign.
The EU is pretty crap institution. Imposed drastic unnecessary austerity on Greece. The PIGs all suffered due to EU neo liberal economics. The Euro is a disaster.
If I see a push by middle class group of so called "centre" ground politicians trying to use opposition to Brexit to reinstall themselves as the mainstream like they used to be Im in that case not interested.
I think these "centre" ground politicians think they can reverse Brexit then go back to the middle way. See the now ex Tory Rory in the ES going on in that way today. Part of this project of theirs includes getting rid of Corbyn and all he stands for. This isn't being neutral. its is ideological despite what some of them say.
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CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
It would be a bit weird if Ibrahim Dougus didn't promote himself in his own paper. Especially as he is Mayor of Lambeth this year.
I think Kevin could have complained about this before. Meaning before Kate Hoey said she was retiring. One therefore assumes Kevin has a dog in the race as they say.
Why doesn't he book an emergency showing of Citizen Kane for the Cinema Museum? Kill two birds with one stone - lampoon the allegedly power mad mayor, and raise funds for a worthy local charity!
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I looked up Kevin Craig. He is a CEO of a "communications" company he set up. ie a PR company.
He comes across as typical Blairitie.
Here he is on relationship of business and government.
The whole tone of the article is that its unfortunate that this has changed.
That the unwashed masses are now being listeneed to by "populists".
If only we couldd get back to th days when well meaning ( Remain) business leaders could discuss with politicians like reasonable chaps the best way forward for the country. And of course they all had everyones best interests at heart.
Kevin Craig: Business and politics need to get back to basics
Typical Blairitie.
Gramsci
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Meant to say that this as an interesting read.
The author is a long standing member of the Labour party. On the left. Former Cllr. Decent member of the left of the party and long standing worker for the party.
So Kate managed what I would have considered impossible. She united the left and right of the party against her Unionist flag waving views on Brexit.
Quite an achievement.
So she jumped before she was pushed. Deselection was distinct possibility.
happyshopper
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I understand that in the end there was not a single active member of the Party who would support her. Had she sought re-selection she would have had the right to be on the short-list put to members. The question was whether the non-active members of the Vauxhall Party, of whom there are many, might have still supported her, as it was often suggested she had helped a lot of people over her 30 years as a MP.
happyshopper
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The selection meeting is on Sunday, 27th October.
BusLanes
Pedestrian
I mean assumedly Dogus or Clark has it in bag - but if not - any thoughts on Caldicott, MacLeod (Think he represents the Wandsworth ward next to Oval), Eshalomi, Beer or Holland? Beer is the only one I haven't seen in action, but I assume he's reasonably well known (if not to me).
blameless77
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Kate Hoey spotted dining with Arlene Foster at Kennington Tandoori apparently. Grrrrrr
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
It would be my fantasy that potential Vauxhall Labour PPC Claire Holland was related to hard left socialist Labour MP for Vauxhall MP Stuart Holland.
Stuart Holland was actually a descendent of the wealthy Holland family (of Holland Park etc). Relating to Vauxhall - He also held land in Lambeth on lease from the Archbishop of Canterbury and began building there in 1820.
The Holland estate: To 1874 | British History Online
Lambeth's conservation area document in turn says:
19th Century
2.5 The completion of the Vauxhall Bridge in 1816 made South London an attractive proposition for middle class professionals wishing to escape the city. An 1818 Act of Parliament permitted the laying out of Camberwell New Road to the north of the es-tate provided valuable development plots along the road frontage. Henry Richard Vassall, Third Baron Holland, began construction of the houses at that time. The Estate and street names derive from his family connections. For example, Vassall was his wife's maiden name which he had adopted in 1800.
2.6 Construction began with ribbon development of smart houses along Camberwell New Road. Lots were let in small parcels to builders and speculators, this resulted in groups of villas and terraces being developed in parcels. The 1824 Plan of Lambeth Parish shows broken lines of development along Camberwell New Road, Foxley Road and Vassall Road; the other streets are not yet laid out. The remainder of the original development was erected in an ad-hoc fashion through the 1820s-1830s with a mixture of detached and semi-detached villas and dignified terraces; it be-came known as Holland Town at this time. By the 1840s the area was largely devel-oped - characterised by neat properties set within relatively spacious plots with front and rear gardens. However, much of the wider area remained undeveloped.
If it turned out that Claire and Stuart Holland were related then the Holland dynasty would have a claim pari passu to rival the Benn family as magnates turned hard then soft socialists.
Stuart Holland was actually a descendent of the wealthy Holland family (of Holland Park etc). Relating to Vauxhall - He also held land in Lambeth on lease from the Archbishop of Canterbury and began building there in 1820.
The Holland estate: To 1874 | British History Online
Lambeth's conservation area document in turn says:
19th Century
2.5 The completion of the Vauxhall Bridge in 1816 made South London an attractive proposition for middle class professionals wishing to escape the city. An 1818 Act of Parliament permitted the laying out of Camberwell New Road to the north of the es-tate provided valuable development plots along the road frontage. Henry Richard Vassall, Third Baron Holland, began construction of the houses at that time. The Estate and street names derive from his family connections. For example, Vassall was his wife's maiden name which he had adopted in 1800.
2.6 Construction began with ribbon development of smart houses along Camberwell New Road. Lots were let in small parcels to builders and speculators, this resulted in groups of villas and terraces being developed in parcels. The 1824 Plan of Lambeth Parish shows broken lines of development along Camberwell New Road, Foxley Road and Vassall Road; the other streets are not yet laid out. The remainder of the original development was erected in an ad-hoc fashion through the 1820s-1830s with a mixture of detached and semi-detached villas and dignified terraces; it be-came known as Holland Town at this time. By the 1840s the area was largely devel-oped - characterised by neat properties set within relatively spacious plots with front and rear gardens. However, much of the wider area remained undeveloped.
If it turned out that Claire and Stuart Holland were related then the Holland dynasty would have a claim pari passu to rival the Benn family as magnates turned hard then soft socialists.
Gramsci
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Kate Hoey take on Boris plan,
Kate Hoey the DUP MP forVauxhall Ulster.
Kate Hoey: The Brexit plan divides the UK, so I will not be voting for it today
Kate Hoey the DUP MP for
Kate Hoey: The Brexit plan divides the UK, so I will not be voting for it today
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
On better news Adonis the New Labour creep hasn't made it to long list for selection to replace Kate Hoey. Who will be spending more time fox hunting in Ulster.
Andrew Adonis misses longlist for Labour Vauxhall nomination
Hopefully the new candidate won't be Florence Eshalomi. Another New Labour loyalist. Ex Lambeth Cllr.
Andrew Adonis misses longlist for Labour Vauxhall nomination
Hopefully the new candidate won't be Florence Eshalomi. Another New Labour loyalist. Ex Lambeth Cllr.
