BusLanes
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I assume Eshalomi is going to be the candidate that everyone else coalesces around
How are we going to get rid of Kate Hoey
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I assume Eshalomi is going to be the candidate that everyone else coalesces around
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
Further to the Dougus issue, I notice that The Clarion - a blog which says it is published by Labour and Momentum activists has really stuck the knife in Does Vauxhall Labour want a self-promoting millionaire as its MP?
Gramsci
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Why do you think that?
She made her career in politics by being 100% Blairitie Lambeth Cllr. She isn't to my mind a candidate who could be seen as neutral.
I have friend in Labour party who refused to canvass for her as she is so right wing. That person is not a full on Corbynite.
Its that people like Florence have made nice careers in politics sucking up to whatever the politics of the day is. In her case Blair/ Progress led Lambeth Council.
I really hope she does not get the seat.
Gramsci
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Gramsci
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The Clarion:
This is example of what I said about Florence. She saw New Labour as they say to get on in politics.
Dogus sees appearing to support Corbyn as the way. Despite being a petty bourgeois businessman.
As the article says :
Does Vauxhall Labour want a self-promoting millionaire as its MP?
This is example of what I said about Florence. She saw New Labour as they say to get on in politics.
Dogus sees appearing to support Corbyn as the way. Despite being a petty bourgeois businessman.
As the article says :
Does Vauxhall Labour want a self-promoting millionaire as its MP?
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
When he was trying to get up the slippery pole of politics in Enfield he started something called "Enfield Voice". When his political aspirations in Enfield came to nothing he decided Lambeth was his political home. Then started Lambeth Voice.
It beggars belief a pushy self promoter can get this far in politics. He hasn't got any politics. Its whatever is ascendent at the time.
It beggars belief a pushy self promoter can get this far in politics. He hasn't got any politics. Its whatever is ascendent at the time.
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BusLanes
Pedestrian
Everyone else on the centre-right was more what I was thinking - so if Dogus and Clark are the possible HQ/Left picks there must be people on the right/centre - Holland and Florence
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's nicer to see a self-promoting millionaire rather than one who engages firms to big them up
CH1
"Red Guard"(NLYL)
You mean snappier than December 12th?
BusLanes
Pedestrian
It is possible she did both. North Vauxhall has loads of MPs and party staffers living there and assumedly she was one of those candidates who's qualification was as much they were from HQ. Scottish Labour being historically notorious for being a safe place to park HQ candidates or people who couldn't expect to win a seat the normal way.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Katy Clark: Why I'm standing to replace Kate Hoey in Vauxhall - LabourList
She sounds good to me from reading this.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
Interview: Katy Clark
This interview with her in 2009 shows she has track record of not supporting New Labour.
She also was an early supporter of Corbyn for leader.
This interview with her in 2009 shows she has track record of not supporting New Labour.
She also was an early supporter of Corbyn for leader.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
For some reason the BBC decided to have Kate Hoey on the Today Programme this morning.
I don't know why. She is going thank God .
I really couldn't listen to all she said as she really winds me up now.
She actually said most Labour MPs seats were in "Leave" areas.
At this point in morning I see Red and can't listen to her drivel any more.
She goes on about most Labour area being Leave.
Sorry Kate unfortunately for you inner London was solidly Remain. And that includes the working class.
So please shut up and fuck off to spend more time with your mates in Brexit party and DUP.
I want an MP like Kate Clark who is on the left but not a right wing Brexiter like Union Jack waving Hoey.
Really do wish the media would stop giving her media time.
I don't know why. She is going thank God .
I really couldn't listen to all she said as she really winds me up now.
She actually said most Labour MPs seats were in "Leave" areas.
At this point in morning I see Red and can't listen to her drivel any more.
She goes on about most Labour area being Leave.
Sorry Kate unfortunately for you inner London was solidly Remain. And that includes the working class.
So please shut up and fuck off to spend more time with your mates in Brexit party and DUP.
I want an MP like Kate Clark who is on the left but not a right wing Brexiter like Union Jack waving Hoey.
Really do wish the media would stop giving her media time.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
On Florence the other women candidate. Ex Lambeth Cllr and fully paid up member of New Labour.
She was interested in the Streatham seat as Chuka, a darling of the New Labour faction, decided to be a Liberal Democrat. That is he could not stand the increase in membership of Labour party or members in having a say.
She wanted to replace him. Somewhat bizarre this imo. Chuka was darling of New Labour. Yet she wanted to replace him.
I've yet to understand why the more right wing Labour party members I know now think Chuka is terrible.
She intervened in elections for local party posts in Streatham and was roundly and rightly criticised for this.
The New Labour slate of candidates didn't do well.
Chuka constituency is now run by the left. Why Chuka left he couldn't deal with this. He left before he was pushed. He hadn't made himself popular with his attacks on Corbyn and all he stands for. Right wing prick is better of in LDs.
Anger in Streatham over Progress AM’s attempt to influence AGM – and Umunna replacement process
As the left now control Streatham Florence stood no chance. Hence her trying for Vauxhall.
She was interested in the Streatham seat as Chuka, a darling of the New Labour faction, decided to be a Liberal Democrat. That is he could not stand the increase in membership of Labour party or members in having a say.
She wanted to replace him. Somewhat bizarre this imo. Chuka was darling of New Labour. Yet she wanted to replace him.
I've yet to understand why the more right wing Labour party members I know now think Chuka is terrible.
She intervened in elections for local party posts in Streatham and was roundly and rightly criticised for this.
The New Labour slate of candidates didn't do well.
Chuka constituency is now run by the left. Why Chuka left he couldn't deal with this. He left before he was pushed. He hadn't made himself popular with his attacks on Corbyn and all he stands for. Right wing prick is better of in LDs.
Anger in Streatham over Progress AM’s attempt to influence AGM – and Umunna replacement process
As the left now control Streatham Florence stood no chance. Hence her trying for Vauxhall.
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Southlondon
The river's there for a reason
I voted Clark but out of the other candidates, Florence was next best choice. Her time on the GLA away from the Vauxhall clique has freed her from the strong constituency blairitte influences. She’s a black woman born and bred in Brixton, and had the strong support of members from the south part of the constituency.She was outside the Lambeth council clique who had heavily supported Claire Holland who is awful, so if nothing else her victory would have wound up jack and co. She will be a good MP
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
A disappointing result.
Florence Eshalomi is supporter of the Progress wing of the Labour party. Why she did so well in Lambeth Council.
She supported Liz Kendall for leader of the party. Like the Progress led Labour Council in Lambeth.
100% New Labour. I know Labour party members who refused to canvass for her at election times due to her right wing politics. And these people aren't hard left.
Whatever she might say now when the right have got rid of Corbyn she will revert to form.
Florence Eshalomi is supporter of the Progress wing of the Labour party. Why she did so well in Lambeth Council.
She supported Liz Kendall for leader of the party. Like the Progress led Labour Council in Lambeth.
100% New Labour. I know Labour party members who refused to canvass for her at election times due to her right wing politics. And these people aren't hard left.
Whatever she might say now when the right have got rid of Corbyn she will revert to form.
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Gramsci
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Labour List reckon it was close. Florence won over Clark as she got more second preference votes. Second preference went to her to keep that self publicist Dogus out. If Mr Pushy hadn't been in race it might have ended differently.
Super Sunday: Labour candidate selection results - LabourList
Florence stood no chance in Streatham. Now run by the left despite Florence's intervention.
Super Sunday: Labour candidate selection results - LabourList
Florence stood no chance in Streatham. Now run by the left despite Florence's intervention.
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brixtonpete
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United we stand, divided we fall... or why I feel gloomy about the prospect of Boris getting back in with a slightly increased majority, pushing through his crap Brexit deal, and this country continuing on its slow but steady rightward course.
I write as a Remain voter in a strongly Remain area, but am also a regular visitor to a 2016 Leave voting village in North Yorkshire where we will be moving sometime in the next few years, where Brexit Party leaflets cover one's doormat like takeaway leaflets down here. Luckily there are also a good bunch of left/green activists, but it's a case of an active minority versus a silent majority. I once caught a Brexit leafleteer popping a leaflet through our door. "Why do you want to leave the EU?" I asked. "Oh, I'm not particularly interested, I'm just helping out a friend with a delivery," and he scuttled off. The very silent majority! The local Conservative councillor had a massive billboard in the grounds of her manse alongside the road pronouncing our local area 'Votes Leave'. When I took it up with the local council, they said that as it didn't contain the word 'council' it wasn't breaking any rules.
A few weeks ago it appeared that if the opposition were to unite, a vote of no confidence could bring down Boris and a government of national unity could push through a second referendum, but the three main opposition parties could not come to an agreement. Jo Swinson insisted on publicly bad mouthing Labour in general and Jeremy Corbyn in particular and Jeremy Corbyn said the leader has to be me otherwise forget it - two leaders with over inflated egos. Jo Swinson now is promoted the myth that the LibDems could win an election outright with an overall majority. Between them Jo Swinson and Jeremy Corbyn were/are stuck in their Westminster bubbles and won't budge. Given our broken electoral system the only chance of stopping Brexit was a second referendum, which appears to have been scuppered by the SNP and LibDems pushing for an election, which a weak Jeremy Corbyn felt he had to go along with.
The SNP are in a 'Heads we Win, Tails you Lose' situation which explains their enthusiasm for an election. If Boris wins and takes the UK out of the EU with his crap deal that makes an independent Scotland an odds on - just what the SNP want, and they'll eventually get back into the EU via that route. The SNP don't care if Labour get trounced down south as they'll likely get another landslide in Scotland. If Labour do win and Brexit gets scrapped then the SNP will still be strong in Scotland. Why the LibDems are pushing for an election now remains a mystery, other than political naivety by their leader. A united Ireland will also be an increased possibility, but less so than if the 'Two Borders Boris' plan hadn't been pulled.
A Labour leadership battle wouldn't do Labour's electoral chances any good, but what if Jeremy Corbyn had voluntarily handed over the reins to Keir Starmer? Jeremy Corbyn may be a fantastic campaigner at rallies with great policies, but if Labour had a greater chance of being elected with Keir Starmer as leader facing Boris Johnson over the dispatch box, which he has proved he can do very effectively, why not face reality and give Labour the best possible chance of trashing this far right Tory government at the polls?
I do hope that I will be proved wrong!
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
On Corbyn. He had every right to head a caretaker government that was for five weeks whilst an election was called.
I heard Swinson on radio this morning. She was repeating her personal attacks. She said neither Boris or Corbyn "were fit to run the country".
I'm a Remainer but a lot of Remain message is about returning to the so called centre politics.
Hence Corbyn being dismissed as a caretaker PM. Its not his ego. Its what he represents to the establishment. A Left wing politics.
Secondly , like it or not, at least half the country still want to leave.
A new referendum isn't going to alter that. The result may be just be to remain. But a lot of people are going to be angry the result wasn't honoured first time.
Corbyn out of all the leaders is promising a realistic deal / remain options in referendum. Its a principled position of a leader of a national party.
