How are Team GB doing wrt the expected / optimistic medal tally?

[Maltin]

Rowing has finished now. Great Britain once again finish top of the medal table but from 2 gold, 2 silver and 2 bronze in 2008 they have won an amazing 4 gold, 2 silver and 3 bronze.

9 medals compared to UK Sports expectation of 6.

And 3 of those 4 golds were in women's events.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Rowing has finished now. Great Britain once again finish top of the medal table but from 2 gold, 2 silver and 2 bronze in 2008 they have won an amazing 4 gold, 2 silver and 3 bronze.

9 medals compared to UK Sports expectation of 6.

Yes, but they got 18 (I think ) at Beijing?

How many more are they expected to get and which ones have they missed out on, besides the rowing gold they just missed out on?

(I realise they got the gymnastics one which they probably weren't expecting)

 

[Maltin]

Yes, but they got 18 (I think ) at Beijing?

How many more are they expected to get and which ones have they missed out on, besides the rowing gold they just missed out on?

(I realise they got the gymnastics one which they probably weren't expecting)

According to the BBC website, they won 6 rowing medals last time. Not sure where your 18 comes from.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

According to the BBC website, they won 6 rowing medals last time. Not sure where your 18 comes from.

Oh, I meant 18 gold in the whole Games

 

[Maltin]

I'm not knowledgeable enough to know what might happen so can only look back. Archery is over. They set a target of 2 fourth places with a high expectation of 1 medal. Don't believe we got past the last 16 in any of the 4 events.

South Korea excelled at archery with 4 medals including 3 gold, and were the best in 2008 too.

 

[Maltin]

Oh, I meant 18 gold in the whole Games

It was 19 and we are currently at 10. Think there are more cycling events where we will challenge for gold,Ennis is doing well in the heptathlon, we normally do well at sailing, I believe we've still got quite a few boxing contenders and imagine there might be other athletics hopefuls.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

It was 19 and we are currently at 10. Think there are more cycling events where we will challenge for gold,Ennis is doing well in the heptathlon, we normally do well at sailing, I believe we've still got quite a few boxing contenders and imagine there might be other athletics hopefuls.

Well I was near!

Oh, nice to see there's still lots of possibilities for more

 

[Maltin]

Judo seems to be the only other event that has finished and we did better than expected with 2 medals compared to a high expectation of 1. Russia topped the medal table with 5 medals, including 3 golds. France and Japan won 7 medals.

Russia didnt win any judo medals in 2008. Japan were the best then.

 

[belboid]

imagine there might be other athletics hopefuls.

mmm, not really. Outside chances of two more golds (Mo Farah & Christine Ohuruogu) but they're not favourites. Then again, neither was Ennis

 

[The Boy]

It was 19 and we are currently at 10. Think there are more cycling events where we will challenge for gold,Ennis is doing well in the heptathlon, we normally do well at sailing, I believe we've still got quite a few boxing contenders and imagine there might be other athletics hopefuls.

One thing to bear in mind is that there are now only ten events in track cycling and one entrant per nation per event. Team GB (sic) won 12 medals in the velodrome last time out. Overall they will probably beat the medal count from last time out. Especially when you compare the results from rowing between the two Olympiads.

 

[Espresso]

Yes, but they got 18 (I think ) at Beijing?

How many more are they expected to get and which ones have they missed out on, besides the rowing gold they just missed out on?

(I realise they got the gymnastics one which they probably weren't expecting)

Seemed to me before the whole gig started, the meeedja would have us believe that Tom Daley was nailed on* for both of his events while Victoria Pendleton, Rebecca Adlington and Mark Cavendish only had to turn up in their jimjams to be handed their gold medals.

*Not what you'd want, on a diving board, I presume.

 

[Maltin]

As per above Minnie, Tom Daley is another hopeful and I guess there might still be hope for Gymnastics too.

 

[Maltin]

Based on that report in the Telegraph showing UK Sport's expectations, shooting and judo have reached the upper limit of their expectations (1 medal).

Of the other events where we have won medals so far:

Gymnastics won 1 - expected 1 to 2
Canoe 2 - expected 3 to 4
Cycling 4 - expected 6 to 10
Equestrianism 1 - expected 3 to 4
Rowing 3 - expected 6
Swimming 2 - expected 5 to 7

So in the categories where we've won medals so far, we've won 15 compared to a minimum expectation of 24. Obviously still plenty of medals to be won in those categories and ignores other categories where they expected to win a medal and didn't.

An update to this:

Events completed:

Judo won 2 - expected 0 to 1
Rowing 9 - expected 6

Events ongoing:

Gymnastics won 1 - expected 1 to 2
Canoe 2 - expected 3 to 4
Cycling 7 - expected 6 to 10
Equestrianism 1 - expected 3 to 4
Sailing 2 - expected 3 to 5
Shooting 1 - expected 0 to 1
Swimming 3 - expected 5 to 7
Tennis 2 - expected 0 to 2
Athletics 3 - expected 5 to 8

 

[bi0boy]

Graphs. We need more graphs.

 

[Maltin]

Graphs. We need more graphs.

Well there's one here that's been updated. Can't copy image on this device as far as I know.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19135168

 

[Gingerman]

I do wonder whether we might be in a similar position in 12 years time once our Olympics have passed. It would be good if we do continue to invest in sport but once these games are over, there may be less incentive to do so.

Just noticed that Spain have only won 2 silvers and 1 bronze so far,they won 13 golds,7 silvers and 2 bronzes at Barcalona in 1992, a fair old come down in 20 years.

 

[Maltin]

Just noticed that Spain have only won 2 silvers and 1 bronze so far,they won 13 golds,7 silvers and 2 bronzes at Barcalona in 1992, a fair old come down in 20 years.

They've got 200 less athletes too (289 v 489 in 1992).

 

[Maltin]

Uk sport hoped to finish 6th in fencing and the GB men's foil team achieved this.

 

[Maltin]

There was an interesting article that highlighted the impact of not meeting UK sports expectations.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19133445

Suggested that with other sports doing well and swimming not as well as expected that this might reduce its funding in future which is surely counterproductive.

 

[kabbes]

An update to this:

Events completed:

Judo won 2 - expected 0 to 1
Rowing 9 - expected 6

Events ongoing:

Gymnastics won 1 - expected 1 to 2
Canoe 2 - expected 3 to 4
Cycling 7 - expected 6 to 10
Equestrianism 1 - expected 3 to 4
Sailing 2 - expected 3 to 5
Shooting 1 - expected 0 to 1
Swimming 3 - expected 5 to 7
Tennis 2 - expected 0 to 2
Athletics 3 - expected 5 to 8

Now:

Gymnastics won 3 - expected 1 to 2
Cycling 8 - expected 6 to 10
Athletics 4 - expected 5 to 8

And swimming has finished, I think. The swimmers are the only team to have underperformed.

 

[Maltin]

Now:

Gymnastics won 3 - expected 1 to 2
Cycling 8 - expected 6 to 10
Athletics 4 - expected 5 to 8

And swimming has finished, I think. The swimmers are the only team to have underperformed.

thanks for the update

There are still the two swimming marathons to go and I think we hope to get a medal in one of those.

 

[kabbes]

thanks for the update

There are still the two swimming marathons to go and I think we hope to get a medal in one of those.

Good call -- I'd forgotten about those.

 

[Minnie_the_Minx]

Now:

Gymnastics won 3 - expected 1 to 2
Cycling 8 - expected 6 to 10
Athletics 4 - expected 5 to 8

And swimming has finished, I think. The swimmers are the only team to have underperformed.

Beth Tweddle and Kristian Thomas still to perform in gymnastics so fingers crossed

 

[kabbes]

Yes, and men's and women's sprints in cycling, which hopefully will both produce golds.

 

[Maltin]

A further update to this:

Events completed:

Judo won 2 - expected 0 to 1
Rowing 9 (4 gold) - expected 6
Tennis 2 (1 gold) - expected 0 to 2
Shooting 1 (gold) - expected 0 to 1

Events ongoing:

Gymnastics won 4 - expected 1 to 2
Canoe 2 (1 gold) - expected 3 to 4
Cycling 9 (6 gold) - expected 6 to 10
Equestrianism 2 (1 gold) - expected 3 to 4
Sailing 2 (1 gold) - expected 3 to 5
Swimming 3 - expected 5 to 7
Athletics 4 (3 gold) - expected 5 to 8

8 medals to surpass 2008's total. 2 gold to surpass 2008 total.

 

[Maltin]

BBC article on current state of play (as of Sunday)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19144994

 

[SpookyFrank]

BBC article on current state of play (as of Sunday)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/19144994

I don't like the tone of that article one bit.

Britain's haul of three medals in the pool has been relatively disappointing, given that the 44-strong team have again relied on Rebecca Adlington for two of them. Michael Jamieson claimed silver in the 200m breaststroke.

GB won six medals in Beijing, with half coming from the open water events. Keri-Anne Payne is again a contender in the women's 10km race on Thursday. After the poor showing in the pool, the 2008 silver medallist can help reduce the damage as GB attempt to deliver a minimum of five medals at London.

Otherwise, an investment of £25.1m will look like money wasted compared to other big hitters such as rowing.

So we're looking at investment in sport purely in terms of buying olympic medals? Fuck that. Not only is this insulting to those competitors who despite putting in years of training didn't manage to win medals, but it completely ignores the concept of sport as something that everyone should be able to participate in.

I'm sure swimming is vastly more popular in the UK than rowing but because the swimmers haven't won so many medals funding for swimming could be cut. Forget the fact that we win all the rowing medals because not many other countries are that bothered about rowing, forget the fact that swimming is a much more accessible activity for ordinary plebs than rowing which very few state schools have any facilities or training for, fuck all that if there's medals at stake

 

[Maltin]

I don't like the tone of that article one bit
So we're looking at investment in sport purely in terms of buying olympic medals? Fuck that. Not only is this insulting to those competitors who despite putting in years of training didn't manage to win medals, but it completely ignores the concept of sport as something that everyone should be able to participate in.

I'm sure swimming is vastly more popular in the UK than rowing but because the swimmers haven't won so many medals funding for swimming could be cut. Forget the fact that we win all the rowing medals because not many other countries are that bothered about rowing, forget the fact that swimming is a much more accessible activity for ordinary plebs than rowing which very few state schools have any facilities or training for, fuck all that if there's medals at stake

I mentioned this in post 109 based on another BBC article. It seems wrong if they base funding compared to how they perform against their targets. And if they do, surely if they don't meet their target, it's better to give more funding rather than less.

 

[Gromit]

So we're looking at investment in sport purely in terms of buying olympic medals?

Well duh yeah. Every country that hosts the games tends to up its sports funding for four years in the hopes it will bring more medals so they don't look like muppets at their own games.

Watch that investment plummet again once its all over

 

[Maltin]

UK Sport had hoped for a fourth in Water Polo. The women reached the quarter final and the men failed to win a game.