I remember seeing a file full of photos and details of Gulag victims in one of the Sunday papers. It hit home.
Holocaust: the facts
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Raheem
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One of the reasons Holocaust denial is able to spread. It's unbelievable, so any sort of permission not to believe it can be attractive.
Nigel
For A Degenerates' Workers State
A very interesting take on this theme is book The White Rabbit by Bruce Marshall, on accounts of Wing Commander Yeo Thomas, parachuted in France to aid resistance, captured, tortured and sent to Buchenwald, treated with sadistic disdain & nonchalance, forced to confess involvement with resistance & information and had forced human vivisection experimenting with affects of Typhus.
Starts out myopically like across between Biggles Adventure & Escape From Colditz however as it continues gets deeper and darker.
Points out that when arriving home people refused to believe or want to listen to the 180 servicemen kept at Buchenwald (and probably other prisoners/detainees) talking about experiences and giving accounts, preferring rather the shallow propaganda of force patriotism offered to them.
Steel Icarus
we move
Didn't know where to put this but I've just been in an hour long seminar where myself and over 100 FE students heard the testimony of Dr. Martin Stern, Holocaust survivor. Quite something to hear his story and answer some thoughtful and intelligent questions from those in attendance.
Argonia
Happy go licky
@AuschwitzMuseum has posted up an entry about the artist David Olère who was a Sonderkommando and surviived and went on to make lots of pictures of Auschwitz. Hadn't heard of him before.
en.wikipedia.org
David Olère - Wikipedia
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
new from the wiener library Home - The Wiener Holocaust Library : Testifying to the truth : Eyewitnesses to the holocaust
Argonia
Happy go licky
Just found out about a Slovak Jewish journalist called Stefan Lux who shot himself to death in the League of Nations in Geneva to alert world leaders to the rising menace of Hitler.
Should have heard of him before.
en.wikipedia.org
Should have heard of him before.
Štefan Lux - Wikipedia
rekil
to menny cranks
Holocaust survivor Esther Bejarano dies at 96 – DW – 07/10/2021
As a teenager, she had to perform in the Auschwitz girls' orchestra. But Esther Bejarano never stopped loving music — or fighting against racism.
www.dw.com
Argonia
Happy go licky
Sad news.Holocaust survivor Esther Bejarano dies at 96 – DW – 07/10/2021
As a teenager, she had to perform in the Auschwitz girls' orchestra. But Esther Bejarano never stopped loving music — or fighting against racism.
Argonia
Happy go licky
@AuschwitzMuseum
Instrumentalization of the tragedy of all people who between 1933-45 suffered, were humiliated, tortured & murdered by the hateful totalitarian regime of Nazi Germany to argue against vaccination that saves human lives is a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline.
Instrumentalization of the tragedy of all people who between 1933-45 suffered, were humiliated, tortured & murdered by the hateful totalitarian regime of Nazi Germany to argue against vaccination that saves human lives is a sad symptom of moral and intellectual decline.
spring-peeper
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Did not know about this thread, I so posted it in Alt-right.
Copy and paste into the correct thread
so angry, I could spit.
Bu then again, it is Texas.
Never mind.... spits
www.nbcnews.com
The article is really long, and I'm too pissed off to read it.
I just skimmed it.
spits on floor
My children had a holocaust survivor come to their school and speak.
I told the children to pay attention and never forget.
I told them that once all survivors are dead, the powers to be will deny it ever happened.
Looks like I was right
Copy and paste into the correct thread
so angry, I could spit.
Bu then again, it is Texas.
Never mind.... spits
Books on Holocaust should be balanced with 'opposing' views, Southlake school leader tells teachers
A top administrator with the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake, Texas, warned teachers about having one-sided books about the Holocaust in their classrooms.
The article is really long, and I'm too pissed off to read it.
I just skimmed it.
spits on floor
My children had a holocaust survivor come to their school and speak.
I told the children to pay attention and never forget.
I told them that once all survivors are dead, the powers to be will deny it ever happened.
Looks like I was right
spring-peeper
Well-Known Member
petee
no gods, no malarkey
Did not know about this thread, I so posted it in Alt-right.
Copy and paste into the correct thread
so angry, I could spit.
Bu then again, it is Texas.
Never mind.... spits
Books on Holocaust should be balanced with 'opposing' views, Southlake school leader tells teachers
A top administrator with the Carroll Independent School District in Southlake, Texas, warned teachers about having one-sided books about the Holocaust in their classrooms.
www.nbcnews.com
The article is really long, and I'm too pissed off to read it.
I just skimmed it.
spits on floor
My children had a holocaust survivor come to their school and speak.
I told the children to pay attention and never forget.
I told them that once all survivors are dead, the powers to be will deny it ever happened.
Looks like I was right
that's Number The Stars in the picture, we've taught it for many years at my school.
Hollis
bloody furious
The Wiener library has loads of (probably) brilliant stuff on its youtube channel - I've been to a couple of their talks and the standard is excellent.
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCk3ppeeg3_yn2nnd9e92OpA
This one on the Wehrmacht was supurb.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
Half of Britons do not know 6m Jews were murdered in Holocaust
Survey also finds majority of UK respondents believe fewer people care about Holocaust today than used to
How is this possible?
scalyboy
They’re taking the piss now
I'd suggest Gitta Sereny's Into That Darkness as a useful addition to the list of books that might help dissuade persons in danger of falling down a Holocaust-denial rabbit hole. Since it has an actual Nazi death camp commandment describing the process in detail.
It contains interviews and testimony with Treblinka survivors (Sondercommando who escaped during the Treblinka uprising) as well as with SS officers there, but mostly it's in an in-depth examination (via extensive conversations with him in prison) of Franz Stangl, the Treblinka commandant, and his family.
Stangl was also involved in the T2 euthanasia programme. An Austrian policeman who wasn't particularly interested in politics but joined the Nazi party before the War, to further his career. The book shows how the perpetrators of the Holocaust weren't all rabid anti-Semites and Nazi fanatics, but were instead (as Christopher Browning said) ordinary men.
It contains interviews and testimony with Treblinka survivors (Sondercommando who escaped during the Treblinka uprising) as well as with SS officers there, but mostly it's in an in-depth examination (via extensive conversations with him in prison) of Franz Stangl, the Treblinka commandant, and his family.
Stangl was also involved in the T2 euthanasia programme. An Austrian policeman who wasn't particularly interested in politics but joined the Nazi party before the War, to further his career. The book shows how the perpetrators of the Holocaust weren't all rabid anti-Semites and Nazi fanatics, but were instead (as Christopher Browning said) ordinary men.
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
It's not Holocaust denial that seems to be in evidence so much as Holocaust ignorance. As a kid growing up in the 1950's and 60's it was impossible not to know something about the War, and from that the atrocities of the Final Solution. But nowadays? Someone enlighten me. Do kids nowadays really know nowt about WW2, or is it just some aspects of WW2?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Planning on watching this later.
tim
EXPLODED TIM! (Help me!!!)
I doubt they learn much about the Bengal Famine of 1943 which killed 2-3 million which was caused by British colonial policy, not that many of us ever did, either.
They do cover the holocaust.
Thanks I didn't realise this was on. It's very good.
editor
hiraethified
I watched it. It was interesting seeing the former SS soldiers talking. Some in denial, some in shame...
Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
RainbowTown
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I saw this too last night on BBC4. Well worth a watch. Preceding it was another documentary called The Man Who Saw Too Much about the oldest known survivor of the concentration camps, 106 year old Boris Pahor who spent time in Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Natzwelier-Struthof camps. It's a deeply moving, sobering and shocking story which I'd strongly recommend watching first before the Final Account programme.
www.bbc.co.uk
He is still alive at the grand old age of 108.
BBC One - The Man Who Saw Too Much
The story of 106-year-old Boris Pahor, a concentration camp survivor.
He is still alive at the grand old age of 108.
weltweit
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Just listened to this :
www.bbc.co.uk
And earlier to this:
www.bbc.co.uk
Very moving accounts
BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour, 'It was nearly 50 years before I opened up about Auschwitz’
91-year-old Rachel Levy shares her story of surviving the Nazis.
And earlier to this:
BBC Radio 4 - The Reunion, Auschwitz Survivors
Sue MacGregor reunites four people who survived the Auschwitz concentration camp.
Very moving accounts
Kevbad the Bad
Amiable Bowel Syndrome
My uncle Bob was present at the liberation of Belsen concentration camp. He never spoke about it to anyone, at all. If asked about it he would leave the room. Unspeakable.Just listened to this :
BBC Radio 4 - Woman's Hour, 'It was nearly 50 years before I opened up about Auschwitz’
91-year-old Rachel Levy shares her story of surviving the Nazis.
billy_bob
Air of bewilderment model's own
Not directly about the holocaust but today's Guardian Long Read is worth a look: 'I remember the feeling of insult': when Britain imprisoned its wartime refugees
My great-grandfather was among those interned on Man - he might well be one of the men in the final picture in this piece. He and his children had fled Austria in the late 30s and he had ended up in the UK (my grandmother didn't - she only arrived here 20 years later). It was unquestionably more comfortable than some of the alternative fates, though still obviously an injustice.
From what I've heard he was a macher and probably made the best of most situations. I think he ended up contributing to the organisational side of the artistic and cultural activities in the camp. I often think about how so much hinged on small differences of character: his resourcefulness and resilient attitude may have been the main reason my immediate ancestors survived when other branches of the family did not.
My great-grandfather was among those interned on Man - he might well be one of the men in the final picture in this piece. He and his children had fled Austria in the late 30s and he had ended up in the UK (my grandmother didn't - she only arrived here 20 years later). It was unquestionably more comfortable than some of the alternative fates, though still obviously an injustice.
From what I've heard he was a macher and probably made the best of most situations. I think he ended up contributing to the organisational side of the artistic and cultural activities in the camp. I often think about how so much hinged on small differences of character: his resourcefulness and resilient attitude may have been the main reason my immediate ancestors survived when other branches of the family did not.
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