Hold your nose and vote Labour?
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Chilli.s
mingling jets and statuettes
Thats a Keef Starmer pledge?I pledge to vote Labour.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
Does Starmer/the Guardian really think people are going to read this guff and treat it seriously?
www.theguardian.com
The state does need - in social democratic terms - reform, of course it does. Specifically it needs a) to be used by the government to fulfil its function as the overall manager of the national economy and empowered and resourced to be an effective regulator of capital regulating to ensure checks and balances and b) it needs historic levels of funding to enable it to rebuild, manage and utilise an industrial strategy and infrastructure renewal plan.
What it does not need is technocratic reforms that are all predicated on leaving capital and the market unfettered.
Whatever anyone thinks of Attlee or Wilson’s governments they understood an and b at least and, in terms of stated ambition at least, came in to office committed to delivering on both.
In contrast, bar some Biden lite policy on the green new deal and a few adjustments to the more stupid half baked anti-union laws introduced by the Tories, Starmer’s offer is ‘more of the same of the last 45 years, more completely managed’. Piss poor.
‘Clause IV on steroids’: Keir Starmer says his Labour must go further than Blair
Leader says party must ‘change our culture’ as it faces bigger task in government than his predecessor
The state does need - in social democratic terms - reform, of course it does. Specifically it needs a) to be used by the government to fulfil its function as the overall manager of the national economy and empowered and resourced to be an effective regulator of capital regulating to ensure checks and balances and b) it needs historic levels of funding to enable it to rebuild, manage and utilise an industrial strategy and infrastructure renewal plan.
What it does not need is technocratic reforms that are all predicated on leaving capital and the market unfettered.
Whatever anyone thinks of Attlee or Wilson’s governments they understood an and b at least and, in terms of stated ambition at least, came in to office committed to delivering on both.
In contrast, bar some Biden lite policy on the green new deal and a few adjustments to the more stupid half baked anti-union laws introduced by the Tories, Starmer’s offer is ‘more of the same of the last 45 years, more completely managed’. Piss poor.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
This was a discussion I was having with Mrs Tag last night. We are not keen on voting for the current Labour party. Our MP is ok. Unfortunately in our constituency there is no viable alternative to labour. I expect there will be libdem and green candidates but if we voted for them the Tories might get back in.
Chz
Stark Raving Sane
You have to take a long, pondering look at Starmer and seriously ask yourself if you could tell the difference between a Labour win and a Tory one. Some people say they can still see a difference, but I'm not sure I can any more. But much like yourself, I'm not sure who else deserves a vote.
The whole "We could help hungry children in poverty, but we don't like the optics of it so no" thing was the final straw. I can't.
The whole "We could help hungry children in poverty, but we don't like the optics of it so no" thing was the final straw. I can't.
bellaozzydog
rolling turds in glitter
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Spunking cock option for me. Fuck the Labour Party and the shower of shite they came down in.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I'd hope they do treat it seriously, the labour party is very clear what people can expect from them, a shit sandwich made with bullshit breadDoes Starmer/the Guardian really think people are going to read this guff and treat it seriously?
‘Clause IV on steroids’: Keir Starmer says his Labour must go further than Blair
Leader says party must ‘change our culture’ as it faces bigger task in government than his predecessor
The state does need - in social democratic terms - reform, of course it does. Specifically it needs a) to be used by the government to fulfil its function as the overall manager of the national economy and empowered and resourced to be an effective regulator of capital regulating to ensure checks and balances and b) it needs historic levels of funding to enable it to rebuild, manage and utilise an industrial strategy and infrastructure renewal plan.
What it does not need is technocratic reforms that are all predicated on leaving capital and the market unfettered.
Whatever anyone thinks of Attlee or Wilson’s governments they understood an and b at least and, in terms of stated ambition at least, came in to office committed to delivering on both.
In contrast, bar some Biden lite policy on the green new deal and a few adjustments to the more stupid half baked anti-union laws introduced by the Tories, Starmer’s offer is ‘more of the same of the last 45 years, more completely managed’. Piss poor.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Did I dream it or has Keef said that if they get in they will enact actual, meaningful proportional representation, not like the guff the Lib Dem dicks agreed to and failed to get? If so, maybe so try h voting red scum cos real PR could well mean we’ll never get another Tory government.
shifting gears
Well-Known Member
You dreamt it
beesonthewhatnow
going deaf for a living
Don’t think he did, but why the fuck they aren’t pushing this is beyond me.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
Tusc will probably stand round my way. The perpetual Tusc candidate is a SPEW stalwart so he has pretty rubbish politics. But he's also a very nice and genuine lad. I'm all for wasting my vote so I might as well just waste it on him.
Riklet
procrastinación
I wont be voting full stop as im in a Lib Dem seat where it's them or the Tories I reckon. I cba to vote green as they are blubbing on about a new Lidl being built yada yada... "the environment" but no mention of class.
I would provably vote Labour with my nose held if I was in a different place. Let's face it, it would make the UK slightly less shit having them in charge. We deserve more though.
I would provably vote Labour with my nose held if I was in a different place. Let's face it, it would make the UK slightly less shit having them in charge. We deserve more though.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Yes you dreamt it
MickiQ
In My Defence I was left Unsupervised
if you want any kind of proportional representation at this point in time then your best chance is a) a minority Labour win and b) hope that Davis has more backbone than Clegg. I really wouldn't get my hopes up too high if I were you.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Why would the Labour Party push PR?
FPTP benefits them electorally, and politically PR is an issue that has serious salience to a small minority of voters, who are not swing voters.
hash tag
Books, not bombs
This is part of the issue, can you trust anything he says; u-turns on commitment to the environment, to the 2 child benefit rule etc.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
I don't see any alternative. A labour governmnet will be shit. Starmer is shit. But the alternative is the fascist enabling of people like Braverman. It's the state of this current tory government that is the issue here. That's the reality we're in. Class struggle continues either way, but at least we can put peolpe like her and the lunatic ERG that rules this country now back in their box. Even if temporarily, though there's a chance that, if they lose, it could do serious damage to the party. Theres no way things can continue as they are
hash tag
Books, not bombs
If starmer is shit and labour are shit, that's not down to the Tory government but the state of politics in this country.
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Starmer , one nation Labour
two sheds
Least noticed poster 2007
and the state of the media which has enabled it and kept it all in place
BusLanes
Pedestrian
My local Labour MP, when asked if she supports PR said that she didn't as FPTP works for Labour. This was after the polls went decisively for Labour.
She's nice enough otherwise though and her majority is quite big over the LDs who are second, then Tories third so I guess she can say what she wants.
She's nice enough otherwise though and her majority is quite big over the LDs who are second, then Tories third so I guess she can say what she wants.
Karl Masks
Birds Angel Delight
Sure, but pointing that out changes nothing
hash tag
Books, not bombs
It doesn't change a thing but highlights the problem is not with the Tories but the electorate
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
and the Labour Party.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
The electorate is not to blame for the conspiracy to purge all vaguely left-wing politics from the Labour party and political discourse in general.
This is a country where light entertainment TV presenters can instruct the labour party leader to give the left 'a good kicking' and the party leader will enthusiastically support that suggestion.
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