Hold your nose and vote Labour?

[redsquirrel]

The same Labour Party who when in power had Jack Straw on the phone personally to cops to get them to use anti-terrorism powers against arrested environmental protesters? That Labour Party?

And the same Labour Party that was willing to have anti-immigration mugs.
Starmer might roll back on Rwanda as it looks like a complete disaster zone, but their alternative will be awful

 

[chilango]

And the same Labour Party that was willing to have anti-immigration mugs.
Starmer might roll back on Rwanda as it looks like a complete disaster zone, but their alternative will be awful

Less headline grabbing, more ruthlessly efficient.

 

[redsquirrel]

Yep

 

[_Russ_]

One of 2 possible bunches of cunts are gonna get in, I see labour as being very slightly less Cuntified so I will vote for them so as to help keep the even more cuntified lot out, lets ace it if you dont do that you knowingly are handing votes to the other cunts, if your happy to do that you must be a tory or an idiot

 

[chilango]

The more people try and blackmail me into voting Labour the less likely I am to consider it.

 

[Lurdan]

If you don’t vote Labour you are a class traitor .

Obviously you're being sarcastic, but if one accepts the concept of a 'class party' then I don't see why the Labour Party couldn't be defined as one. It might be a bit harsh if middle-class people really did start calling those members of their own class who don't vote for a party which represents their class interests 'traitors', but I guess that is up to them.

 

[Chilli.s]

Labour Party couldn't be defined as one.

The current incarnation of the LP could definitely be described as class traitors inho

 

[The39thStep]

Obviously you're being sarcastic, but if one accepts the concept of a 'class party' then I don't see why the Labour Party couldn't be defined as one. It might be a bit harsh if middle-class people really did start calling those members of their own class who don't vote for a party which represents their class interests 'traitors', but I guess that is up to them.

Yes I was being sarcastic.

 

[pug]

I'm glad I'm not in a swing seat, I was going to say it's like trying to decide who babysits the kids between a choice of hannibal lecter and freddy kruger then realised that either would be more trustworthy than starmer.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

The current incarnation of the LP could definitely be described as class traitors inho

Blair paved the way.

 

[hitmouse]

And the same Labour Party that was willing to have anti-immigration mugs.
Starmer might roll back on Rwanda as it looks like a complete disaster zone, but their alternative will be awful

And the same Starmer who was in charge of prosecutions back in 2011.

At Camberwell Green magistrates, Nicholas Robinson, 23, an electrical engineering student with no previous convictions, was jailed for the maximum permitted six months after pleading guilty to stealing bottles of water worth £3.50 from Lidl in Brixton. He had been walking back from his girlfriend's house in the early hours of Monday morning when he saw the store being looted, his lawyer said, and had taken the opportunity to go in and help himself to a case of water because he was thirsty. He was caught up in the moment, and was ashamed of his actions, his defence said.

But the prosecution told judge Alan Baldwin: "This defendant has contributed through his action to criminal activities to the atmosphere of chaos and sheer lawlessness." There were gasps from the public gallery as his sentence was delivered.

The mother of one convicted looter told the Guardian her son – who got 16 weeks for using "threatening or abusive language or behaviour" – had got a much harsher sentence because of the political climate. "If this wasn't the riot he wouldn't even have got a caution," she said. "It's all because of the riots."

Her son Ricky Gemmell had finished his shift at a Manchester call centre on Tuesday evening and gone home to change out of his suit before heading to the city centre; his family say to visit his girlfriend, with no intention of getting involved in trouble. He pleaded guilty, however, to telling officers during the riot: "I'd smash you if you took your uniform off" before being pinned to the ground and arrested. He became the first rioter to be jailed at a Manchester magistrates court session that began on Wednesday morning and ran late into the night.

 

[weltweit]

I work in a company with perhaps 20 workers and 3 managers. We are in a working class area, but we have a conservative MP.

It is simple, the workers don't vote and the managers vote tory so the tory MP gets elected.

I have asked the workers why they don't vote to be met with responses like : it doesn't make any difference, it isn't for me, can't be bothered etc. If this is repeated across many constituencies this is the sort of thing that results in tory MPs.

 

[campanula]

No. Will be sowing biennials - a vastly more worthwhile enterprise.
I am frankly astounded at the simple binary position being taken by some on this thread, If you are not with us, you are against us, best of 2 options etc.etc. Fuck that in a tophat - as though our individual agency is solely to tick a largely meaningless box every 5 years. O rly? That's it then. Job done. Get a fucking grip - I wouldn't trouble myself to walk the 100metres to my local polling station, regardless of my now disenfranchised position cos I am not going to flash a freaking bus pass. I haven't the tiniest inclination to follow parliamentary back stabbing/fun and games in subsidised bars and sneaky corruption at every level. Doesn't make me powerless, complacent or disinterested though. Far fucking from. Plenty,plenty stuff to be doing for me and my class in the coming years and it certainly won't be worrying about some 5 year sop to an imaginary democracy.

Then again, I have imbibed the idea of a class struggle - not a fucking class tea party with cucumber sandwiches and nice cake. My little tick makes no difference - a full on occupation of untenanted houses, our commons and woodlands, our public spaces and a reclamation of our loud mobbing voices...well heya, I guess I feel quite energised without a sniff of a ballot box (but I have always been an oaf and actually do think it is better to wield a pitchfork than a pencil...especially when we have not very much to lose.

#angrypoliticalsimpleton

 

[davesgcr]

1000 Tory councillors expected to lose seats in local elections. (says the Times today) - a preparation for the General Election. ?

 

[hitmouse]

I work in a company with perhaps 20 workers and 3 managers. We are in a working class area, but we have a conservative MP.

It is simple, the workers don't vote and the managers vote tory so the tory MP gets elected.

I have asked the workers why they don't vote to be met with responses like : it doesn't make any difference, it isn't for me, can't be bothered etc. If this is repeated across many constituencies this is the sort of thing that results in tory MPs.

 

[hitmouse]

leaflets distributed in the stalinallee, etc etc

 

[Pickman's model]

I work in a company with perhaps 20 workers and 3 managers. We are in a working class area, but we have a conservative MP.

It is simple, the workers don't vote and the managers vote tory so the tory MP gets elected.

I have asked the workers why they don't vote to be met with responses like : it doesn't make any difference, it isn't for me, can't be bothered etc. If this is repeated across many constituencies this is the sort of thing that results in tory MPs.

or it may be that they can clearly remember labour governments

 

[redsquirrel]

Well I don't know about anyone else but this new interview in the Observer might convince me to vote Labour after all - ‘I’ll be bolder than Blair on public service reform,’ says Keir Starmer

Leader pledges a radical, reforming Labour government with aid to first-time buyers and a revamp of tuition fees among the party’s targets

“I think we can go beyond what the Blair government did on public services … because I think there is unfinished business there.” He added: “We will be a reforming government ready to go from day one, further than Blair on public services, further than the Tories in the private sector.”

Today – in a further sign of the party building a more substantial policy programme for an expected general election next year – Starmer vows to reverse recent Tory changes on planning and re-introduce targets to ensure the private sector builds at least 300,000 new homes a year.

.........

He said: “Home ownership matters. I want to make it clear Labour is the party of home ownership. The dream of home ownership has been killed by the prime minister because he has taken those targets away.”

 

[savoloysam]

Thread title sums it up for me. It's Imperative that we get the Tories out at the next election and sadly this is our only option.

One thing I think you can be certain with is that labour will invest more money into public services.

 

[JimW]

First time buyers not social housing. What is the point?

 

[redsquirrel]

First time buyers not social housing. What is the point?

I was talking to two comrades in my union branch of Thursday, neither radical at all, both scathing about Starmer and making the same point about social housing.

 

[teqniq]

It's a fucking joke.

 

[Rob Ray]

Well I don't know about anyone else but this new interview in the Observer might convince me to vote Labour after all - ‘I’ll be bolder than Blair on public service reform,’ says Keir Starmer

It made.me angrier than I've been in a while. Fuck his poseur babble, he's offering nothing. Current front page of the Guardian is him doing the Thatcher Dream spiel about continuing to prop up the housing market with more first time buyers - but note his actual plan, which is to reimpose the shitty failed targets system on councils.

That's what, Cameron-era? Older? And a fucking outright Tory policy that they only ditched because it was so clearly unworkable (and deeply unpopular because all it encouraged was a slew of overpriced, inefficient, car-dependent suburban boxes aimed at fuck knows who covering vast amounts of prime farmland) that it had become an embarrassment. It's utterly pathetic.

The big land bankers, property developers and buy to let scum firms must be absolutely creaming themselves right now, the party's definitively back on.

Tories fail to build any of 200,000 starter homes promised in 2015, says watchdog

National Audit Office says no starter homes have been built despite election pledge

www.google.com

 

[Spandex]

he's offering nothing

Dude! How can you say that?

Starmer has looked into the soul of a dispirited nation and seen what the people want, what the people need, what the people demand. He's come up with a concete plan to unite the nation, to stir the hearts of everyone from the lowliest fruit picker to the lords of the land. Yes! See what he's offering to us all!!

He's nailed his colours to the mast and made a vague commitment to amend the Levelling-up and Regeneration Bill 2023!

How can such a radical ambition on such a scale not bring a tear to your eye?

 

[DotCommunist]

Never heard anyone in frontline talk about renters seriously since before or after the Bad Man. I mean gove does a bit but thats what we're reduced to here, that creepy little wierdo with the shelf full of exotic far right literature and an unhealthy appetite for cocaine an power is more serious about housing than the 'first time buyers!' chat we've heard ad nauseum for the last 30 years.

 

[The39thStep]

If this programme of long term radical reform doesn't grab you I don't know what will

 

[Yata]

voted labour for locals on my postal vote but mainly because the tory candidate is some former ukip fucking loon and the labour councillors here are decent imo. not sure about GE

 

[Sasaferrato]

I'm glad I'm not in a swing seat, I was going to say it's like trying to decide who babysits the kids between a choice of hannibal lecter and freddy kruger then realised that either would be more trustworthy than starmer.

There is something about Starmer that makes my flesh creep. I really don't know why, It just does.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

There is something about Starmer that makes my flesh creep. I really don't know why, It just does.

It's the Uncanny Valley effect. He almost looks like a real person but you know something isn't quite right.

 

[Mr.Bishie]

After deliberation, it’s a tactical local Labour vote tomorra to (hopefully) kick the fuckin greens out.