Hasbara

[Belushi]

Some of the German anti-fascists are just nuts.

 

[frogwoman]

"bomber harris, do it again"

wtf?

 

[Idris2002]

Never mind the politics, feel the neurosis.

 

[frogwoman]

If you voted for Hamas, Israel has a right to kill you!

http://mondoweiss.net/2014/07/israel-leader-rabbis.html

 

[frogwoman]

If you voted for hamas, Israel can shoot you!

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Indy this morning has an article about the Israel Project's 'Global Language Dictionary', a propaganda playbook dating back to Operation Cast Lead, which tells Israeli propagandists how to spin their war crimes for gullible Americans.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...hat-helps-israelis-to-hide-facts-9630765.html

Here's the document itself itself.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?url=http://www.newsweek.com/media/70/tip_report.pdf

The Israel Project discussed above is sponsored by neo-con hedge-fund billionaire Seth Klarman whose Times of Israel today published (and then took down due to global outcry) a pro-genocide rant against the inhabitants of Gaza. When Genocide is Permissible

But the foundation also has a focus on Israel advocacy. Klarman has been a board member of, and a major donor to, The Israel Project, a fast-growing pro-Israel advocacy group that seeks to provide information useful to working journalists. He gave the group nearly $4 million between 2008 and 2010.

The foundation has also given smaller amounts to the Middle East Media Research Group, an anti-Islamist research group whose board members include Elliott Abrams, a senior aide in several Republican administrations, and Steve Emerson, a researcher devoted to exposing ties, as he perceives them, between American Muslims and extremist Muslim movements. Klarman has also contributed to the Committee for Accuracy in Middle East Reporting, a group devoted to combating what it sees as anti-Israel bias in the media.

Klarman has also been the longtime chairman of The David Project, a Boston-based group mostly concerned with pro-Israel advocacy on campus. The group is also known for its long-running, and ultimately failed, effort to oppose the construction of a Boston mosque. Klarman said in an interview with the Forward that his interest in The David Project was in its campus work.

http://forward.com/articles/152169/the-softspoken-man-behind-times-of-israel/?p=all#ixzz39AAP3jN8

 

[hipipol]

Baupost group UK 45 Old Bond Street London W1S 4QT

• T: 020 7408 4650
• Head of UK operations;- Jim Mooney
• Currently "redeveloping" a major site next to S Barts Hospital - an old part of the hosps outpatients
• Worth a call an a chat

 

[quiquaquo]

The Israel Project discussed above is sponsored by neo-con hedge-fund billionaire Seth Klarman whose Times of Israel today published (and then took down due to global outcry) a pro-genocide rant against the inhabitants of Gaza. When Genocide is Permissible

http://forward.com/articles/152169/the-softspoken-man-behind-times-of-israel/?p=all#ixzz39AAP3jN8[/QUOTE]


"Klarman’s first visit to Israel took place just a few years after 9/11 and was arranged by Jeffrey Swartz, former head of the shoe company Timberland. Klarman said in an interview with the Forward that his interest in Israel grew from a combination of the events of 9/11, the trip with Swartz, and a realization that radical Islam was a threat to both Israel and the United States."

 

[frogwoman]

Klarman has served for decades as chair of Facing History and Ourselves, a Holocaust education group that uses classroom programs to combat anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry.


I wouldn't trust him to run a bath let alone that sort of outfit!

 

[quiquaquo]

Sorry, some problem there with the system.

My reply was this:

"Klarman’s first visit to Israel took place just a few years after 9/11 and was arranged by Jeffrey Swartz, former head of the shoe company Timberland. Klarman said in an interview with the Forward that his interest in Israel grew from a combination of the events of 9/11, the trip with Swartz, and a realization that radical Islam was a threat to both Israel and the United States."

 

[nino_savatte]

If you voted for hamas, Israel can shoot you!

And they call Hamas savages? Doctor, heal thy fucking self!

 

[nino_savatte]

I found myself blocking a pair of hasbara bots on Facebook this evening. One of them is a stand-up comedian who runs 'Stand Up For Israel' in the States . When he couldn't get his way, he started putting words in my mouth and then accused me of being a "Jew-hater", which is really fucking barking, because the comments thread was on a Jewish friend's page and I am no anti-Semite. After asking me the "do you believe in Israel's right to exist question", it all turned pretty ugly as he invited one of his hasbara mates to join in.

 

[frogwoman]

Stand up for Israel? Plenty of material there from Mark regev

 

[nino_savatte]

Innit.

 

[framed]

And they call Hamas savages? Doctor, heal thy fucking self!

"Israel has the most moral army in the history of civilisation..."

 

[nino_savatte]

Has anyone seen this?
http://www.hasbarafellowships.org/homepage-v2/about-us-2/mission-2

American undergraduates, to the best of my knowledge, aren't taught critical thinking skills. That usually happens when and if they become postgraduates. Those who take part in this propaganda exercise are given the grand title of 'fellows'.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Nasty stuff, see e.g. this 'flak' campaign attacking academics who don't toe the Likud line.

http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php

 

[nino_savatte]

Nasty stuff, see e.g. this 'flack' campaign attacking academics who don't toe the Likud line.

http://www.campus-watch.org/about.php

I first became aware of Campus Watch during the Iraq invasion. They're a truly nasty bunch of people. The whole point of Higher Education is to challenge and inquire.

 

[laptop]

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I first became aware of Campus Watch during the Iraq invasion. They're a truly nasty bunch of people. The whole point of Higher Education is to challenge and inquire.

Ah... that's Daniel Pipes. Nasty piece of work. If someone had said, I'd not have had to read through 1000 words of their mendacious "mission statement" that serves to conceal their mission...

 

[nino_savatte]

Here's a typical conversation with a hasbara bot. One of her friends claimed that Palestinian "don't exist".

• nino_savatte Perhaps the worst thing a dominant group can do is tell an oppressed group that they don't exist. You seem to have conveniently forgotten your own cultural and social history. How does it feel to be an oppressor?
  7 hrs · Like
• 
  Divana IppolitiIsrael is not oppressing anyone. Hamas is. You big dummy. Yes, I'm calling you a name that actually fits you perfectly.

• 
  Come again?

 

[frogwoman]

Well palestinians won't exist if israel carries on like this

 

[nino_savatte]

Well palestinians won't exist if israel carries on like this

Indeed.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Here's a typical conversation with a hasbara bot. One of her friends claimed that Palestinian "don't exist".

• 
  Come again?

Just another *Humpty Dumpty-worshipping pro-Zionist. They say words, but modify the actual meaning to cover anyone who who challenges them.

*'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

 

[ViolentPanda]

Well palestinians won't exist if israel carries on like this

Palestinians will continue to exist, exactly like Jews did, in diaspora.

Doesn't bode well for another 2,000 years, does it?

 

[nino_savatte]

Just another *Humpty Dumpty-worshipping pro-Zionist. They say words, but modify the actual meaning to cover anyone who who challenges them.

*'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

She told me that Breitbart knew a lot about freedom. Oh, how I laughed.

 

[laptop]

*'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, 'it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less."

But what about the corollary?

'When I make a word do a lot of work like that,' said Humpty Dumpty, 'I always pay it extra.'
here

 

[laptop]

Just received from someone who's under the impression they're writing to a letters editor:

Would you like to publish this as a letter to the editor?


Preventing the next Gaza-Israel War


There have now been 3 wars between Gaza and Israel in the past 6 years. If nothing is done to stop the protagonist - the Islamic resistance army more commonly known as Hamas - then the only certain future for the area is that there will be another war in the not too distant future.

While many world leaders recognize the necessity of eliminating Hamas - both for the benefit of Israel and for the Palestinian civilians who suffer negatively both directly and indirectly from the decisions made by Hamas - few have the foresight or vision as to how to accomplish this task.

The Palestinian authority does not have the will or the capability to eradicate Hamas. The Arabs cannot be trusted to do it - with the possible exception of Egypt, which has been destroying terror tunnels in Gaza, enforces the necessary blockade to stop terror supplies reaching Hamas, and has thwarted an Islamic suicide bomber terror attack and rocket attacks aimed at Israeli civilians in the past month. Israel has the capability to get rid of Hamas, but the world accuses Israel of being too brutal in doing it. The western countries that could do it know full well that if they were to do it that they would behave as 'brutally' as they accuse Israel of in the face of Islamic terrorists using civilian human shields, and they would have to come to terms with their hypocritical stance towards Israel. Western countries also have no appetite to fight any Islamic terrorist group - especially one playing hostage to a civilian population.


While it is, sadly, abundantly clear that the world is not actually prepared to do what is needed to stop the conflict reoccurring, the western world does have some control. Funds given to the Palestinians should be strictly controlled - it is irresponsible (if not downright murderous) to continue to look the other way while the Palestinian terrorists get rich, spare no expense on buying rockets and invest millions in terror tunnels. Without funds the terror trade of Hamas will die, even though the ideology of course will not. Perhaps this is the best solution that the western would is prepared to fathom for now.


Michelle Moshelian

So the message is: no aid to the Palestinians? No reconstruction?

 

[butchersapron]

The really depressing thing about it is that the people living in Israel have much less understanding of the conflict than the British middle class

Back again eh.

 

[laptop]

Slightly more chance of a discussion here than in the Gaza thread, so copied over:

Returning to that open letter in the Lancet and the responses:

Massive bonkersness by lobbyists for the State of Israel.

For new readers: the "blood libel" was a justification deployed from the Middle Ages to the 19th Century for attacking Jews and, er, stealing their property.

It was this: that Jews killed Christian children, and used their blood to make special unleavened bread for the religious festival of Passover.

Utterly barking - but, as I noted, there were shops and houses to be stolen... the phrase rightly became a byword for bonkers reasons given for attacks on Jews.

Now, though, in responses to the calm and measured description of the ill-deeds perpetrated by the State of Israel and their effects, we see stuff like:

The once premier British medical journal The Lancet has, once again, engaged in an outrageous Blood Libel against Israel--

No justification or explanation given.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/...al-Letters-from-Israeli-Academics-Not-Welcome

Under the guise of presenting "the facts," [the letter's signatories] demonize Israel for "the perversity of a propaganda that justifies the creation of an emergency to masquerade a massacre." (In response, the Israeli Ministry of Health reportedly identified the letter as "bordering on blood libel."

http://www.thecuttingedgenews.com/index.php?article=84799

That link there is to Ynet News in Hebrew. Google says:

Ministry of Health: Letter doctors 'bordered blood libel'

Following the publication of an article in the prestigious medical journal Lancet which was called Israel "a cruel, shameful mankind and war criminal," the Ministry of Health is working to remove the letter signed by 24 physicians. "This is political advertising one - sided makes a terrible injustice," says Yael German Health Minister.

But still none the wiser what complaining about killing children has to do with mad peasants' and priests' allegations of cannibalism.

That medieval blood libel, largely abandoned in the contemporary West, does, however, still appear as part of Arab world’s vilification of Jews—now transmogrified into a slander against Israel, the Jew of nations. But in the regular chorus of defamation against Israel by a world infected with Palestinianism, a new, more odious trend has begun to show itself: the blood libel has been revivified; however, to position Israel (and by extension Jews) as demonic agents in the community of nations, the primitive fantasies of the blood libel are now masked with a veneer of academic scholarship and published as politicized scientific study.

The so-called "Scholars for Peace in the Middle East explain the association: http://spme.org/spme-research/academic-lies-distortions-cognitive-war-israel/18116/

So Israel is "the Jew of nations" and for this reason to criticise it is inherently anti-Semitic? New one on me. It does short-circuit the complexitites of the position that the interests of Jews and of the State of Israel are identical.

Fuck me. We really are into post-rationalist territory now.

 

[Knotted]

This is doing the rounds. Warning, this video could cause feelings of nausea. But it is the level hasbara is at. Oblivious.