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quiquaquo said:
Due to the pretty much indefensible actions of the IDF in Gaza Hasbara will probably move to try an promote the belief that there is rampant anti-semitism and multiple attacks on Jewish people in Europe in particular. This will both deflect attention attention from Israel's genocidal behaviour and aim to split the US protests away from their European counterparts.

Already there are signs of this starting.
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Yep and here's a good example of that. The muddle-headed Brendan O'Neill does his bit.
There has been a lot of talk over the past two weeks about whether it is anti-Semitic to oppose Israel’s attack on Gaza. Radical Leftists and liberal commentators have insisted (perhaps a bit too much?) that there is nothing remotely anti-Semitic about their anger with Israel or their fury on behalf of battered, bruised and bombed Palestinians. And of course they are right that it is entirely possible to oppose Israel’s militarism without harbouring so much as a smidgen of dislike for the Jewish people. Some will oppose the war in Gaza simply because they are against wars in general, especially ones that impact on civilians.

However, it seems pretty clear to me that much of the left in Europe and America is becoming more anti-Semitic, or at least risks falling into the trap of anti-Semitism, sometimes quite thoughtlessly. In the language it uses, in the ideas it promotes, in the way in which it talks about the modern world, including Israel, much of the Left has adopted a style of politics that has anti-Semitic undertones, and sometimes overtones. The key problem has been the Left’s embrace of conspiratorial thinking, its growing conviction that the world is governed by what it views as uncaring “cabals”, “networks”, self-serving lobbyists and gangs of bankers, all of which has tempted it to sometimes turn its attentions towards those people who historically were so often the object and the target of conspiratorial thinking – the Jews.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/b...ft-anti-semitic-sadly-it-is-heading-that-way/
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frogwoman said:
Wow, he can give himself a pat on the back
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I had someone use that as a reply to a point that I'd made on FB friend's thread. When I told him that the word "Pallywood" was coined as a means to dismiss Palestinian deaths and justify IDF aggression, I got no reply.
 
How can Israel possibly recover from this tbf? For example are the young people considering studying religious stuff etc in Israel from the UK and USA really going to be so willing to do this?
 
nino_savatte said:
I had someone use that as a reply to a point that I'd made on FB friend's thread. When I told him that the word "Pallywood" was coined as a means to dismiss Palestinian deaths and justify IDF aggression, I got no reply.
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Apparently its palestinians filming fake israeli attacks and selling them in markets for money which even if true undermines Israels case since that is the only way they can make money! Ffs
 
frogwoman said:
Apparently its palestinians filming fake israeli attacks and selling them in markets for money which even if true undermines Israels case since that is the only way they can make money! Ffs
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I suppose my point is that Israel isn't beneath faking things either. In fact, it continually lies about the nature of the conflict and the sites that it's shelled. Yet, people like Landes believe that Israel only ever speaks the truth.
 
quiquaquo said:
Due to the pretty much indefensible actions of the IDF in Gaza Hasbara will probably move to try an promote the belief that there is rampant anti-semitism and multiple attacks on Jewish people in Europe in particular. This will both deflect attention attention from Israel's genocidal behaviour and aim to split the US protests away from their European counterparts.

Already there are signs of this starting.
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Yep, right now over on the stupid Israel / Nazi thread JC's aggressively pushing this line.
 
quiquaquo said:
Indeed, it's not doing my blood pressure any good. :)
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smother him with Lurve guy
He is a prime example of those who swallow the Hasbara Spin Machines Seepage hook line and bollocks
Having found multiple spurious "news outlets" he cant seem to grasp they may simply all be slightly tweaking the same source
this quote is contested but it still makes sense, even if fake
“Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense.”
Lord Siddhartha
 
Straight from the hasbara playbook, as quoted by Patrick Cockburn:


Richard Luntz said:
Dr Luntz says that Israeli spokesmen or political leaders must never, ever justify “the deliberate slaughter of innocent women and children” and they must aggressively challenge those who accuse Israel of such a crime.
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The Guardian said:
The IDF continued to categorically deny that its forces were responsible for hits on Shati refugee camp and the Shifa hospital on Monday. At least eight children were killed at Shati while playing in a park.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...aza-after-netanyahu-promises-prolonged-battle
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A thought on the continuing failure of Hasbara.

Since 9/11 people's fears have been defined by the surprise arrival of unexpected hugely destructive force.

When that force arrives in Gaza courtesy of the IDF, people are primed to think "that could be me or my family under that rubble". Hence they are no longer inclined to sympathise with the other side.

What do you lot think?
 
Idris2002 said:
A thought on the continuing failure of Hasbara.

Since 9/11 people's fears have been defined by the surprise arrival of unexpected hugely destructive force.

When that force arrives in Gaza courtesy of the IDF, people are primed to think "that could be me or my family under that rubble". Hence they are no longer inclined to sympathise with the other side.

What do you lot think?
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Not so sure to be honest. Israel is slaughtering in total impunity and nothing will stop them as the US will veto any sanctions or peacekeeping force. Then there's the rabid Islamophobia present in a large percentage of the US and UK population, our governments bank on that, they would still do nothing if Israel escalated to napalm and poison gas to complete their genocide.
 
Idris2002 said:
A thought on the continuing failure of Hasbara.

Since 9/11 people's fears have been defined by the surprise arrival of unexpected hugely destructive force.

When that force arrives in Gaza courtesy of the IDF, people are primed to think "that could be me or my family under that rubble". Hence they are no longer inclined to sympathise with the other side.

What do you lot think?
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perhaps, but I'm not sure the whole 'post 9/11' landscape thing works outside of america, we've been bombed forever, so have european countries etc so...

ease of dissemination of the story from the side of the Palestinians might be a factor though. Social media heaving with wrongpics that you won't be seeing on the beeb
 
Frankly Hasbara is just part of a general Israel/US fundamentalist insanity. Looking for years in Iraq for the Imam Mahdi was probably their high point of madness, they probably haven't given up.
 
quiquaquo said:
Frankly Hasbara is just part of a general Israel/US fundamentalist insanity. Looking for years in Iraq for the Imam Mahdi was probably their high point of madness, they probably haven't given up.
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Do you mean the same Mahdi who lead the Sudan Jihad that killed General Gordon? would have been around 130 years old
 
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Erm, what?
 
I was at a punk festival in a squatted villa out in the suburbs last month where the punks had put a big Israeli flag on the roof.
 
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