has Disco Dave Cameron put his foot in it?

[trevhagl]

So would making them pay for GP visits; would you enjoy that too?

Louis MacNeice

everyone has the right to health, that would be outrageous.

 

[frogwoman]

Why should people on over 44k use the NHS? Or send their kids to state schools when they are rich enough to send their kids to privately? etc? That's what's coming trev.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Yes.

So why is this universal benefit okay to attack? Do you think this is consistent with defending hospitals and pensions?

 

[trevhagl]

Have you seen the front page of today's? Unfuckingbelievable.

whats on it?

 

[discokermit]

Yes.

but not child benefit?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

No he's not. Trev is giving an honest response to the policy of the government. In this case, it is going in the direction the left wants (the rich to pay more) so it is not as controversial as the keyboard warriors around here are making it appear.

So would you welcome higher rate tax payers being charged for GP visits? It would make the 'rich' pay more.

Louis MacNeice

 

[frogwoman]

too far to the left they've popped round the other side.

Jesus.

 

[trevhagl]

So why is this universal benefit okay to attack? Do you think this is consistent with defending hospitals and pensions?

because people on £44k a year won't miss it unless...read earlier post

 

[trevhagl]

too far to the left they've popped round the other side.

Jesus.

ha ha ha i take it YOU'RE not one of the spoilt rich kids throwing their toys out of the pram then !!

 

[krtek a houby]

whats on it?

Dave and the missus urging all of Britain to get together and help fix the country. And the headline?

Your country needs you. The "you" in a Union Jack stylee. Patriotic blitz nostalgic bollocks.

 

[frogwoman]

They can afford to pay for private healthcare so let's make them do that too. More beds for everyone else! class war!

 

[trevhagl]

but not child benefit?

not for the rich.

 

[The Black Hand]

So for the enjoyment afforded by the loss of £20 a week to people earning in excess of £45,000 per annum, you are willing to laugh along with Trev (who described the policy as brave and fair) at an important attack on universalism. There is evidence of a lack of real world politics; just not where you are pointing the finger.

Louis MacNeice

Give over Louis, u impotent muppet. Universalism has been attacked so much already it doesn't matter, this 'universal benefit' stands out as the exception rather than the rule. We do not live in a welfare state, we live in a state with selective & variable welfare.

 

[Louis MacNeice]

everyone has the right to health, that would be outrageous.

All children have a right to support; a universal benefit guarantees that all children get it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[frogwoman]

ha ha ha i take it YOU'RE not one of the spoilt rich kids throwing their toys out of the pram then !!

Nope not at all. It wouldn't matter if it was, either.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Many of them are on 44 grand + and are very very pissed off, i think that is more the truth of the matter. That would be like me losing 30p a week

I don't think many, if any, are, tbh.

 

[trevhagl]

All children have a right to support; a universal benefit guarantees that all children get it.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

if people on £44k can't support their kids they need taken into care

 

[Proper Tidy]

because people on £44k a year won't miss it unless...read earlier post

Well, equally, they 'won't miss' public health care and state pensions either, you fool.

Shall we do a relay to the bottom trev?

 

[discokermit]

not for the rich.

so you are against universal benefits. so you must be against the universal benefits of the nhs and pensions?

 

[audiotech]

*shudders*

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Give over Louis, u impotent muppet. Universalism has been attacked so much already it doesn't matter, this 'universal benefit' stands out as the exception rather than the rule. We do not live in a welfare state, we live in a state with selective & variable welfare.

We've lost much already so let's not defend what we've still got; another shining example of you 'real world politics'. So I can take it you're up for charging higher rate tax payers for GP visits?

Louis MacNeice

 

[trevhagl]

Well, equally, they 'won't miss' public health care and state pensions either, you fool.

Shall we do a relay to the bottom trev?

they probably already have cushy private set ups sorted.

 

[The Black Hand]

I usually enjoy your posts, but this is just delusional.

Why? It maybe the exception, not be general left policy, or not go far enough, but the general thrust is true.

 

[trevhagl]

so you are against universal benefits. so you must be against the universal benefits of the nhs and pensions?

no because charging for health will deter people from seeing the doctor and could have serious consequences, but many rich people have BUPA anyway

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe we can get the lib-dem tory vote out come may -do you drive trevs?

 

[Louis MacNeice]

if people on £44k can't support their kids they need taken into care

They're not the kids who the universalism of CB protects. They are also not kids who will be threatened by the attack on universalism.

Louis MacNeice

 

[trevhagl]

Maybe we can get the lib-dem tory vote out come may -do you drive trevs?

Drive? I can't even walk

 

[frogwoman]

no because charging for health will deter people from seeing the doctor and could have serious consequences, but many rich people have BUPA anyway

"Many rich people have BUPA anyway" excellent.

would you be happy to see people earning over 44k banned from using the nhs trev?

 

[frogwoman]

They're not the kids who the universalism of CB protects. They are also not kids who will be threatened by the attack on universalism.

Louis MacNeice

Spot on.

 

[trevhagl]

They're not the kids who the universalism of CB protects. They are also not kids who will be threatened by the attack on universalism.

Louis MacNeice

i agree with what you are trying to say. I just find it amusing that the one time the tories have ever hit rich people there's an outcry - especially when its from so called lefties!