Greedy landlords rub their hands with glee as Londoners queue in the cold to buy flats

[editor]

Pretty straightforward insinuations of racism on page 5 of this thread:

Indeed it does, but he seems strangely unable to comprehend the meaning behind his own words.

 

[maomao]

It's not an accusation of racism - the key angles are "foreign" and "British". If you think that's racist, then you probably need to get up to speed on what those terms mean in the modern world.

You stated clearly that his motivation for picking on the interviewee who clearly identified as a landlord rather than the two who were going to live in the flats, on a thread about landlords, was motivated by said landlord's foreignness. You implied prejudice to smear his position. I don't know who you think you're talking to because you're persuading no-one except yourself. You should apologise.

 

[editor]

look, nearly everyone but you can see it was an insinuation/out of order claim
wind it in and apologise or fuck off, your wriggling is not working and your intellect not what you think it is

Repeated in the hope the penny will drop for The Diamond In Denial.

 

[editor]

I don't know who you think you're talking to because you're persuading no-one except yourself. You should apologise.

Indeed he should. It was a deeply insulting insinuation and one that remains absolutely groundless. It's to his shame that he's too puffed up and stubborn to admit to his mistake.

 

[Diamond]

Christ. It's like an echo-chamber on urban sometimes these days.

 

[The Boy]

But, yes, that is bigotry.

No it isn't. You want it to be, because you have nothing else beyond your mis-rembered snippets from The Economist, but it really, really isn't.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

The nice thing about rent controls is that there is enough data on Zoopla and elsewhere now to establish a workable set of fair rental values per property size and postcode, meaning that you wouldn't need that many rent officers or an overly complex rent tribunal system. It's all quite doable. Capita would probably bid for it and annoy both landlords and tenants.

 

[editor]

Christ. It's like an echo-chamber on urban sometimes these days.

Perhaps you should finally listen and absorb what's been said because it's being repeated for your benefit.

 

[Diamond]

Perhaps you should finally listen and absorb what's been said because it's being repeated for your benefit.

Ha!

I rather think it's being repeated for your benefit instead...

 

[maomao]

Ha!

I rather think it's being repeated for your benefit instead...

So you honestly think that if Mr Chiu was the one seeking a pied à terre for his jaunts to Europe and the 'middle aged couple queueing in shifts' were after their first BTL property editor would have still picked on the Chinese fella?

 

[ffsear]

- property in London atm is a very sensible investment. The problems are structural rather than individual -

I think family housing is the best investment now. 3 beds + garden. Or basically Space. I can't see the 1 bedroom flat market growing much further. Its already insane

 

[Diamond]

So you honestly think that if Mr Chiu was the one seeking a pied à terre for his jaunts to Europe and the 'middle aged couple queueing in shifts' were after their first BTL property editor would have still picked on the Chinese fella?

I've made my position clear - he quoted from the one article the most incendiary part of the piece, probably because it chimed with his views.

The simple fact that that was a misrepresentation by the journalist of the one person likely to cause most offence (the foreign chap buying up property in London) meant that he smuggled in the exclusionary views that the article's logic relies upon.

 

[ddraig]

'smuggled in'
god your a joke

 

[maomao]

I've made my position clear - he quoted from the one article the most incendiary part of the piece, probably because it chimed with his views.

The simple fact that that was a misrepresentation by the journalist of the one person likely to cause most offence (the foreign chap buying up property in London) meant that he smuggled in the exclusionary views that the article's logic relies upon.

So you're not going to answer the question?

 

[editor]

I've made my position clear - he quoted from the one article the most incendiary part of the piece, probably because it chimed with his views.

What views are they then?

 

[maomao]

What views are they then?

Your racist ones. You're probably planning to vote UKIP to stop Chinese people buying up properties.

 

[editor]

For reference - and to remind folks of just how unhinged Diamond's racism slurs are -here's the full quote I posted in the OP.

Dozens of Londoners queued overnight in sub-zero temperatures last night to buy a one bedroom flat in East London for £400,000.

The house-hunters wanted to buy homes at the Chobham Manor development near Stratford’s Olympic Park, the Evening Standard newspaper reports.

A one-bedroom flat in the development starts at £370,000 and two-bedroom houses retail for £695,000.

A middle-aged couple queuing in shifts to buy a flat told the local newspaper that they lived outside the capital and were buying a second home they could use if they wanted to go to the theatre in London or stay after work.

Others said they lived in other countries and were buying the flat so Londoners would have to pay them rent.

K Chiu, 37, a restaurant owner from Hong Kong, told the Evening Standard that he hoped house prices and rents would skyrocket even further in London so he could make more money.

“I’m buying this as an investment in London, a buy-to-let. It will be amazing after it’s completed and I think the area around it will have developed really nicely.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...to-buy-one-bedroom-flat-for-400k-9998821.html

 

[killer b]

I think family housing is the best investment now. 3 beds + garden. Or basically Space. I can't see the 1 bedroom flat market growing much further. Its already insane

People have been saying that for 20 years.

 

[Diamond]

What views are they then?

I'm not sure because you haven't made them clear.

Perhaps we can start with this question - what do you think about foreigners buying property in London?

 

[editor]

I'm not sure because you haven't made them clear.

Perhaps we can start with this question - what do you think about foreigners buying property in London?

"We" aren't playing this ludicrous game until you apologise for your racism slurs.

 

[Diamond]

"We" aren't playing this ludicrous game until you apologise for your racism slurs.

OK. So we're at loggerheads - I didn't make any racism slurs and you're not prepared to answer a perfectly reasonable question.

 

[maomao]

I'm not sure because you haven't made them clear.

Perhaps we can start with this question - what do you think about foreigners buying property in London?

Personally, nothing at all if they're going to live here and be part of their local community in any way at all.

 

[editor]

OK. So we're at loggerheads - I didn't make any racism slurs and you're not prepared to answer a perfectly reasonable question.

Why do you think so many people did and keep telling you so?

 

[editor]

Personally, nothing at all if they're going to live here and be part of their local community in any way at all.

Agreed. I value the contribution made by people of all backgrounds.

 

[maomao]

Why do you think so many people did and keep telling you so?

Personally, I was worried about my standing in the monothought clique.

 

[ffsear]

People have been saying that for 20 years.

Well its wrong to dismiss it. So many family homes ended up being split into in several flats. Now theres a shortage

 

[Maurice Picarda]

People have been saying that for 20 years.

And why have they been wrong? Genuine question.

 

[kabbes]

You have not dealt with even half the points that I have put to you, mainly through the use of selective quotation.

If you mean that I haven't micro-quoted, opening up an epileptic tree of conversation then yes, guilty as charged. I'm happy, however, that I have responded to the substantive points at issue. It's not like you've created a whole line of argument that has gone ignored. You effectively only have one drum you are banging -- that of free market fundamentalism -- and responding to that doesn't require any great depth, frankly

If I was minded to do so, I'd level that you are a hypocrite of the highest order.

good thing you aren't minded to then, eh? Because you would never make baseless accusations and then deny you'd ever made them.

I'd also be interested to know what Kabbes felt about the prospect of more homes being built for badly needed supply in his patch of this green and pleasant land.

Would you really be interested? What do you think I feel about it?

 

[kabbes]

Christ. It's like an echo-chamber on urban sometimes these days.

You mean that there is a host of people from different backgrounds and different opinions that are nevertheless united in telling you that you are talking bollocks? Yes, funny that.

 

[Diamond]

If you mean that I haven't micro-quoted, opening up an epileptic tree of conversation then yes, guilty as charged. I'm happy, however, that I have responded to the substantive points at issue. It's not like you've created a whole line of argument that has gone ignored. You effectively only have one drum you are managing -- that of free market fundamentalism -- and responding to that doesn't require any great depth, frankly

good thing you aren't minded to then, eh? Because you would never make baseless accusations and then deny you'd ever made them.


Would you really be interested? What do you think I feel about it?

"Epileptic tree of conversation"

Do my arguments somehow promote seizures in you?