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Grand Designs in Brixton, Channel 4

I think it is horrible- ugly, austere and cold. And they are quite slappable, aren't they? Irrelevant, but isn't helping me warm to the house

However, I'd rather this than some kind of Barratt home house out of a box, could be anywhere owned by anyone... at least it's interesting and is generating debate
 
I've only seen that building from the junction of Madrell Road and thought it was a scaffold wrap while they fixed the roof!!!

funny to see inside, dont know why people ever agree to do these shows, they never come across well
 
Don't have a problem with it, architecturally in its environment. There's not enough bold domestic architecture in London - why should the exciting stuff always be offices and stadia?

But:
- energy conservation my arse. Did he do the embodied-energy calculations for all that concrete, glass and steel? How long will his PV panels take to recoup that?
- that front gate.
- and minimalism is just another way of saying cupboards full of crap.
 
But:
- energy conservation my arse. Did he do the embodied-energy calculations for all that concrete, glass and steel? How long will his PV panels take to recoup that?
- that front gate.
- and minimalism is just another way of saying cupboards full of crap.

I visited during the open house and chatted with some of the architects about what they had done for energy conservation. I was impressed at how much they had studied and achieved with the building in terms of energy. I also liked the solution for getting light downstairs. The building looked a lot nicer on the inside than the outside, and although it certainly didn't have a lived-in look to it there was so much light in the place it felt warmer than it should with all that concrete.
 
Yes the tall front sliding gate says it all:facepalm: keep out, although the couple soon realised they had to engage with the community everytime they stepped out the door coz everyone had an opinion. :D

I don't have a problem with the actual building really but seems slightly too tall for the exisiting terrace. Mind you as Firky say this lot live in another universe.
 
I visited during the open house and chatted with some of the architects about what they had done for energy conservation. I was impressed at how much they had studied and achieved with the building in terms of energy. I also liked the solution for getting light downstairs. The building looked a lot nicer on the inside than the outside, and although it certainly didn't have a lived-in look to it there was so much light in the place it felt warmer than it should with all that concrete.

I'd be interested to know what it "sounds" like? Modernist interiors often feel very echo-y through lack of soft furnishings. I think I'd find that unsettling to live in. TV programmes don't convey the aural qualities of buildings...
 
I'd be interested to know what it "sounds" like? Modernist interiors often feel very echo-y through lack of soft furnishings. I think I'd find that unsettling to live in. TV programmes don't convey the aural qualities of buildings...

I visited too during Open House and didn't notice it being particularly noisy (and it was full of people).

I think it's a great building (inside and out). Not one that would suit my lifestyle, but what's that got to do with anything.
 
I visited during the open house and chatted with some of the architects about what they had done for energy conservation. I was impressed at how much they had studied and achieved with the building in terms of energy. I also liked the solution for getting light downstairs. The building looked a lot nicer on the inside than the outside, and although it certainly didn't have a lived-in look to it there was so much light in the place it felt warmer than it should with all that concrete.

I went too and had a long chat with the architect after wandering about. Having seen only a brief trailer of the Grand Designs episode I thought he might be terribly pretentious but I liked him. He wasn't exactly a barrel of laughs but was open and honest about what was proven and what was experimental and he was very passionate about what he had done in an understated way. Most architects long to work on commissions like this but such projects are few and far between, so I admire him for having the balls to make it happen for himself.

There was quite a lot of tech info left out in the show (although I was watching it after I got home from the pub so could easily have missed bits). One of the most interesting installations was the ground source heat system. One of the problems of GSHP is that in urban areas where there is not much opportunity for the ground to be warmed by the Sun the system can actually cool the ground below the building, reducing efficacy and in some cities where this technology is more common this has created permanent permafrost. His system has been designed so that when heat is not being extracted, it is being collected by the panels and returned to the ground and stored for when it is needed. The solution is simple but clever.

A lot of his costs came from fixtures and fittings and I didn't agree with some of his rationale for using Vola taps, for instance. I'm sure they are better quality than most brass ware but I just don't agree that at £500-600 for a basin mixer they will come close to paying for themselves during their lifetime.

As for the design, I thought it was great. I didn't think there was much that was ground breaking apart from perhaps the use of glass cladding - but it is a fine example of what it is and there isn't anything like it locally. The attention to detail (or lack of detail) is fantastic. It didn't feel cold to me but I am a fan of well executed concrete architecture, which is very unforgiving to work with. Interior wise, it is quite modest in size bearing in mind that the entire ground floor is the office for him an his team. Upstairs there are two bedrooms, two bathrooms and a decent but not enormous open plan kitchen and living area.

I've enjoyed watching it go up, enjoy seeing it when I run past and would very happily live in it. Although, if I did, it would be permanently untidy!

I feel a pretty uncomfortable with some of the carping and slagging going on above. Have we still not managed to get beyond the knee jerk reaction of attacking anything and anyone who is unfamiliar in our community. WTF?
 
I didn't see the prog or know it was on til today but by coincidence walked past the building yesterday for the first time on the way to fulham timber - it's simply a modernist building, the idea that people are still shocked or think it's ugly over a hundred years after the start of the movement is either a testament to the avant-garde of the early twentieth century or to the continuing conservatism of this island, I'm not sure which
 
I didn't see the prog or know it was on til today but by coincidence walked past the building yesterday for the first time on the way to fulham timber - it's simply a modernist building, the idea that people are still shocked or think it's ugly over a hundred years after the start of the movement is either a testament to the avant-garde of the early twentieth century or to the continuing conservatism of this island, I'm not sure which

Won't be long until someone buys it and makes 'improvements' with pebble dash or some classy stone cladding.
 
- energy conservation my arse. Did he do the embodied-energy calculations for all that concrete, glass and steel? How long will his PV panels take to recoup that?

That's a bit nitpicky. Have you done the calculations? Not that embodied energy is insignificant but what's really important is to insulate well and they seem to have done that pretty thoroughly, going well beyond what building regs call for and well beyond what's done with most new build houses. He claims it's a Code 5 for sustainable homes which is the second highest, so I think he should be given his dues.

Also, I find it really encouraging to see someone making a genuine effort at energy efficiency without doing a building that is shouting "eco" at everyone. Really good to demonstrate that you can have a sharp, modern building that just does the energy efficiency stuff quietly in the background and it doesn't have to look like a hobbit house.
 
That's a bit nitpicky. Have you done the calculations? Not that embodied energy is insignificant but what's really important is to insulate well and they seem to have done that pretty thoroughly, going well beyond what building regs call for and well beyond what's done with most new build houses. He claims it's a Code 5 for sustainable homes which is the second highest, so I think he should be given his dues.

He clarified this during my visit. Some of the technology he is using has not been taken into account by the grading system - I think it was the energy dump for the GSHP but could be mistaken - because the technology is so new it has not been rated for the grading system.

As well as being insulated, the house is airtight. During winter ventilation only occurs through heat exchange vents which remove stale air and allow fresh (well - it's London, so fresh-ish) air in. In order to prevent the incoming air from cooling down the house it passes through a heat exchanger with the warm stale air and 97% of the heat is transferred from the outgoing air to the incoming air preventing the house from cooling down. This is excellent technology and I don't think it will be long before all new build homes have it.

In any case, having a dig because he has only achieved grade 5 is like calling a sprinter shit for only getting a silver medal. Especially when the sprinter is not even banging on about his sprinting credentials.
 
I feel a pretty uncomfortable with some of the carping and slagging going on above. Have we still not managed to get beyond the knee jerk reaction of attacking anything and anyone who is unfamiliar in our community. WTF?
If you make a grand, gated architectural statement in an area where many people are struggling to find decent housing and go on TV to tell the world about your 'vision', then you can hardly complain if people express an opinion on the matter.
 
If you make a grand, gated architectural statement in an area where many people are struggling to find decent housing and go on TV to tell the world about your 'vision', then you can hardly complain if people express an opinion on the matter.
I'm not complaining that people expressed their opinions. In fact I'm glad that they did as it is always good to know what people are thinking. I was, however, expressing discomfort at the alarmist, conservative (small c) and downright aggressive nature of the some of the expressions of opinion.

The four Brixton Housing Coop flats in my street recently installed electronic controls on the communal front garden gate. Should I complain that they are wrecking our community as I can no longer wander freely in their front garden?
 
The four Brixton Housing Coop flats in my street recently installed electronic controls on the communal front garden gate. Should I complaint that they are wrecking our community as I can no longer wander freely in their front garden?

wouldn't be a bad idea - locked gates are locked gates, doesn't matter who installs them in my opinion - front gardens ought to be visible and in order to be so they shouldn't have tall fences and locked gates
 
The four Brixton Housing Coop flats in my street recently installed electronic controls on the communal front garden gate. Should I complain that they are wrecking our community as I can no longer wander freely in their front garden?
I could be wrong, but I'd wager they look a lot less daunting than the arrangement on the 'Zen retreat.'
 
As well as being insulated, the house is airtight.

Above a certain level of insulation, it has to be airtight. Otherwise the insulation is simply bypassed. Building regs do now call for a certain level of airtightness in new housing, although this one will probably exceed those levels.

Whether newbuild housing that passes the airtightness tests now will still be airtight in 10 or 20 years time is another matter seeing as it tends largely to be achieved with sticky tape and/or construction layers that can be punctured when the occupants install a new socket box or whatever.
 
Not sure what I think about the gates. Because it's part of a row of garages with locked doors onto the street it doesn't seem as over-defensive as if it were in the middle of a row of houses with front gardens. Lots of houses have a (locked) front door straight onto the street... what's the significant difference?
 
wouldn't be a bad idea - locked gates are locked gates, doesn't matter who installs them in my opinion - front gardens ought to be visible and in order to be so they shouldn't have tall fences and locked gates
It's visible. Just not accessible. And I understand their reason for doing it. Too many other members of the community using their front garden as a toilet, dealing, shooting up, fucking, etc.. I have a gate outside. Last time it was left open I was woken at 5am by police arresting someone shooting up in the lightwell of the basement flat below. I agree with the general idea that it would be preferable not to have gates everywhere. But given the practicalities of urban living I think it's a bit simple to automatically discredit the people who have them.
 
Not sure what I think about the gates. Because it's part of a row of garages with locked doors onto the street it doesn't seem as over-defensive as if it were in the middle of a row of houses with front gardens. Lots of houses have a (locked) front door straight onto the street... what's the significant difference?
Because it's not a garage and they had the space and resources to make something less Stalag-like?
 
Above a certain level of insulation, it has to be airtight. Otherwise the insulation is simply bypassed. Building regs do now call for a certain level of airtightness in new housing, although this one will probably exceed those levels.

Whether newbuild housing that passes the airtightness tests now will still be airtight in 10 or 20 years time is another matter seeing as it tends largely to be achieved with sticky tape and/or construction layers that can be punctured when the occupants install a new socket box or whatever.

Slightly off topic, my parents are building a cat 5 house in Shropshire (and they turned down Grand Designs ;)) They had to have it wrapped in white plastic and filled with coloured gas to check its airtighness- it was great fun to watch. For cat 5 you have to have various levels of fail safes- so if you accidentally drill through a wall it has to not collapse the whole system etc- especially if you are using ground source heating and water recovery and such technical gubbins. Plus there are all sorts of rules you don't think about but are in fact pretty obvious (eg you can't have a letter box)- really interesting area.
 
It's visible. Just not accessible. And I understand their reason for doing it. Too many other members of the community using their front garden as a toilet, dealing, shooting up, fucking, etc.. I have a gate outside. Last time it was left open I was woken at 5am by police arresting someone shooting up in the lightwell of the basement flat below. I agree with the general idea that it would be preferable not to have gates everywhere. But given the practicalities of urban living I think it's a bit simple to automatically discredit the people who have them.
I understand- my last place we had all sorts of nutjobs using the garden. We gated off the parking, which discouraged the hookers, but loads of peopl used the front garden as a toilet (finding human shit when you are planting your annuals is not especially lovely) so as I sold it there was a very heated discussion going on about gating the front or not. We were all instinctively uncomfortable, but pretty sick of the rubbish we stepped in...
 
I've only seen that building from the junction of Madrell Road and thought it was a scaffold wrap while they fixed the roof!!!

funny to see inside, dont know why people ever agree to do these shows, they never come across well
I suspect they get paid a fair bit of money for being filmed. They are always running over budget on these schemes.
 
. But given the practicalities of urban living I think it's a bit simple to automatically discredit the people who have them.
Of course, but surely you would agree that there are equally effective options that don't look quite so unfriendly as this daunting construction?

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