Gezi Park - Istanbul
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Barking_Mad
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butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Barking_Mad
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From BA's link. Tear gas shell stuck in a shop window.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
There's one of those pics with a protestor in a gurney in (I think) an ambulance - at first I thought she was giving the V for Victory sign, but then I looked again and couldn't tell if she was alive or dead.
OK, so this park is to be demolished to clear the way for a new mall. Question for sihhi and anyone else who might know - is this wave of mall and mosque construction a sign of a wider construction/property bubble that might yet have serious consequences for the Turkish economy? IIRC, it was a major thing in Greece under the junta. . .
OK, so this park is to be demolished to clear the way for a new mall. Question for sihhi and anyone else who might know - is this wave of mall and mosque construction a sign of a wider construction/property bubble that might yet have serious consequences for the Turkish economy? IIRC, it was a major thing in Greece under the junta. . .
Barking_Mad
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According to the photos in the link she was killed. There is another photo of her, quite distressing. 
TitanSound
Mr Beardy Drummer
I don't know the exact extent, but gentrification and construction have skyrocketed over the past few years.
Barking_Mad
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New Statesman article. My bold and italics.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...their-fear-authority-and-protests-are-growing
http://www.newstatesman.com/politic...their-fear-authority-and-protests-are-growing
Barking_Mad
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Makeshift tear gas mask!
Barking_Mad
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miss direct
misfungled
Hi I've been from besiktas to taksim and been in the park. Some incredible scenes. I'm sure it will kick off again in the evening.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
This seems to be kosher - first death.
Poo Flakes
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This could get pretty brutal very rapidly.
Idris2002
canadian girlfriend
So I've been out rıotıng the last two nıghts. It's much easıer than ıt sounds. Everyone just parades around the streets bashıng pots and pans together. My kıd and I take our drums. Not a cop ın sıght ın my neıghborhood (on the Asıan sıde), just an awful lot of noıse and camaraderıe. And no sleep.
Thıng ıs though, thıs lot were democratıcally elected, three tımes, last tıme by a landslıde.
I hate them as much as you do. But Erdogan ıs tellıng the truth when he says he could call out a mıllıon supporters onto the streets ıf he wanted. Chrıst knows where they all lıve, I certaınly never meet any of them, but that tells ıts own story ınnıt.
No ıt's not.
What's Erdogan supposed to do? Call an electıon? He'd wın ıt by a mıle, just lıke he's won the last three--plus a referendum on constıtutıonal changes. None of them even close.
I despıse hım, but ıf you try to chuck out a democratıcally elected government by force, there's goıng to be a cıvıl war, or rather a massacre.
The best we can hope for ıs that thıs makes hım moderate hıs polıcıes a bıt. I doubt ıt though. From hıs perspectıve that would be a betrayal of those who voted hım ın.
Anyway, I'm off rıotıng agaın now...
"awakening from a nation that continued to come" - So Google translate reckons
wish people would do that outside the BBC...
elbows
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According to the photos in the link she was killed. There is another photo of her, quite distressing.
There was a video posted which showed her. She was fitting at the time and was then picked up and put on a stretcher. She was not in a good condition and when I first saw that photo days ago I was alarmed, but the version of it with the caption suggestion she was lying dead at that point was not accurate.
Barking_Mad
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If he has so much support was the decision to show cooking programmes taken to avoid inflaming the situation? You'd have thought standard state propaganda could have done the usual smear campaign with the help of the TV?
Barking_Mad
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Go back to the article above:
sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
To clear up confusion:-
I have no doubt Putin could well bring out 5 million onto the streets. (Putin also has a solid 64% behind him.
Since he took over after Yeltsin's ill health at the end of 1999, his bloc Edinaya Rossiya has won a whopping four presidential elections (three for him personally) and three legislative elections - comfortably winning every electoral challenge it has faced since then.) This is not the point.
The demands of the Taksim Platform (a coalition of greens, local people and leftists) are there though they have not been publicised effectively:- release of the Taksim raid arrestees, an end to all construction that threatens the park and is imposed without direct consulation with local residents incl. no shopping to be constructed, and freedom for protests in their 'traditional' home of Taksim and Istiklal Street.
The government is refusing to meet these points for its purposes - neoliberal gentrification and ending Taksim as a political site.
The general elections have been won under increasingly anti-democratic postures.
The last one in 2011 which managed to completely wipe out the proper Islamists and the centre-right into a hardened mass-rightist bloc with a 49.7% vote share of voters (still featured the 10% barrier which the AKP promised to do away with in 2001) was conducted with well over a thousand imprisoned BDP Kurish nationalist politicians under super-slow 'anti-terrorism' 'KCK' trials; a series of telephone conversations from the MHP opposition intelligence services leaked just before the election; a conversation from BDP leaders showing them up as grubby and cynical again intelligence services-leaked just before the election; raids on the centre-left CHP's Izmir offices in connection with corruption never charged never happened; ongoing imprisonment of students for protests under the anti-terrorism laws; KESK trade unionist militants still imprisoned from 2009 ie an overall non-democratic legal climate where a school student is imprisoned for six months for scrawling anti-drugs graffiti, where opening a piece of cloth saying 'Free Education' during the PM's speech at a university sees you imprisoned for 10 years in new isolation-cell prisons for the crime of aiding a terrorist association, because you've been seen at the events of the far left.
More generally use of the army and police to man AKP election rally logistics, whereas opposition rallies are located on edge of town marginal sites; police teargassing a leftist demonstration against natural resource privatisation in Hopa killing one injuring several others; 50 armed police clearing the way for around a hundred more to tear down opposition posters putting up AKP ones to ensure an AKP-adoring area to be shown on TV sets across the country.
I have no doubt Putin could well bring out 5 million onto the streets. (Putin also has a solid 64% behind him.
Since he took over after Yeltsin's ill health at the end of 1999, his bloc Edinaya Rossiya has won a whopping four presidential elections (three for him personally) and three legislative elections - comfortably winning every electoral challenge it has faced since then.) This is not the point.
The demands of the Taksim Platform (a coalition of greens, local people and leftists) are there though they have not been publicised effectively:- release of the Taksim raid arrestees, an end to all construction that threatens the park and is imposed without direct consulation with local residents incl. no shopping to be constructed, and freedom for protests in their 'traditional' home of Taksim and Istiklal Street.
The government is refusing to meet these points for its purposes - neoliberal gentrification and ending Taksim as a political site.
The general elections have been won under increasingly anti-democratic postures.
The last one in 2011 which managed to completely wipe out the proper Islamists and the centre-right into a hardened mass-rightist bloc with a 49.7% vote share of voters (still featured the 10% barrier which the AKP promised to do away with in 2001) was conducted with well over a thousand imprisoned BDP Kurish nationalist politicians under super-slow 'anti-terrorism' 'KCK' trials; a series of telephone conversations from the MHP opposition intelligence services leaked just before the election; a conversation from BDP leaders showing them up as grubby and cynical again intelligence services-leaked just before the election; raids on the centre-left CHP's Izmir offices in connection with corruption never charged never happened; ongoing imprisonment of students for protests under the anti-terrorism laws; KESK trade unionist militants still imprisoned from 2009 ie an overall non-democratic legal climate where a school student is imprisoned for six months for scrawling anti-drugs graffiti, where opening a piece of cloth saying 'Free Education' during the PM's speech at a university sees you imprisoned for 10 years in new isolation-cell prisons for the crime of aiding a terrorist association, because you've been seen at the events of the far left.
More generally use of the army and police to man AKP election rally logistics, whereas opposition rallies are located on edge of town marginal sites; police teargassing a leftist demonstration against natural resource privatisation in Hopa killing one injuring several others; 50 armed police clearing the way for around a hundred more to tear down opposition posters putting up AKP ones to ensure an AKP-adoring area to be shown on TV sets across the country.
Barking_Mad
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sihhi
Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered
This is from this afternoon , another eye out gone by a gas bomblet.
Warning on the photo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL1_jb3CQAEdzii.jpg
Warning on the photo https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BL1_jb3CQAEdzii.jpg
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