Gerry Adams exposed , his lies demolished at brothers rape trial

[8den]

let's go through this in simple stages.

you say: the ira deliberately targeted civilians.
i say: if they had been deliberately targeting civilians then why did they bother phoning in warnings?

you've yet to answer that question. oh - and for the record i'm with N_igma in saying that it was not ira policy to target civilians.

Then please explain how a bomb at shopping center, or a hotel, or a pub hundreds of miles away from Northern Irelands isn't deliberately targeting civilians.

 

[N_igma]

Fucking. Hell.

THESE. ARE. YOUR. EXACT. WORDS.

Ah and bombing a pubs in Birmingham and Guilford wasn't targeting civilians then was it? What part of Guilford is in the Bogside? Perhaps you can enlighten me as to the tactical significance of Harrods or the London Hilton? Or a chipshop on the Shankhill road? Or the La Mon restaurant? Perhaps you can explain to me how the two children in Warrington were part of the british occupation?

Yes I said it wasn't part of IRA policy to kill civilians. Destruction of property and disruption to day to day life yes but the actual killing of civilians was not a policy of the IRA.

Yes civilians died in many cases and some IRA members did randomly kill civillians too but as I said it's hard to control every single action a terrorist organisation does. Fuck sakes the British army can't even control what its soldiers do.

You might need to see a doctor your blood pressure must be sky high with you bashing that Caps Lock key. Writing in capital letters doesn't make you any more right in fact it makes you look like a twat but we all know that anyhow.

 

[N_igma]

Then please explain how a bomb at shopping center, or a hotel, or a pub hundreds of miles away from Northern Irelands isn't deliberately targeting civilians.

I said what the reasoning behind that was can you not read?

 

[Pickman's model]

Then please explain how a bomb at shopping center, or a hotel, or a pub hundreds of miles away from Northern Irelands isn't deliberately targeting civilians.

you have concentrated on two incidents: in guildford and birmingham. anyone who has bothered giving these incidents even a cursory investigation (for example using wikipedia) will have noticed that the guildford bombings were aimed at soldiers, and indeed four soldiers were killed in guildford. this therefore not a good example for your case. in birmingham a warning was phoned through. i would argue that not phoning through a warning would have been a sign of deliberately targeting civilians! bombing targets in britain was a deliberate tactic because it became clear that the ira could bomb and bomb and bomb belfast and derry and nothing would change: but when large bombs started going off in london - such as the bishopsgate and staples corner bombs of the early 1990s - minds in whitehall were rather more concentrated.

 

[likesfish]

It wasnt a war the "plan" was utterly bollocks you've got 200 odd gunmen against 300000 regular troops thats not war thats a lethal game of paintball

 

[Pickman's model]

It wasnt a war the "plan" was utterly bollocks you've got 200 odd gunmen against 300000 regular troops thats not war thats a lethal game of paintball

there have never been 300,000 regular troops in the british army. the last time there were 300,000 men in the british army was under conscription.

 

[DotCommunist]

and the fundamental point of guerilla warfare is not to have numerical superiority or training or equipment. It's to make life expensive and politically untenable for the greater forces masters. 'Would never have lasted five minutes if we had had our gloves off' misses the point. You didn't, the dirty war didn't work and eventually negotiations were had. Obvs not everyones happy with GFA anyway, the peace-wall segregation thing doesn't seem like a lasting soultion, cracks appearing already wrt the past. But. It was never an expectation to beat the might of the british in one on one toe to toe.

 

[N_igma]

It wasnt a war the "plan" was utterly bollocks you've got 200 odd gunmen against 300000 regular troops thats not war thats a lethal game of paintball

Surely you mean 30,000 soldiers?

Also the IRA had usually between 1000-1500 active volunteers at any given time. Not to mention broad support among the wider Republican community I.e safe houses and fundraising etc.

Also did the British win militarily? No it was a stalemate. Politically they did but not militarily.

 

[Pickman's model]

Surely you mean 30,000 soldiers?

Also the IRA had usually between 1000-1500 active volunteers at any given time. Not to mention broad support among the wider Republican community I.e safe houses and fundraising etc.

Also did the British win militarily? No it was a stalemate. Politically they did but not militarily.

it was always recognised by the ira and the british state that there was going to be a political solution - whether that was the withdrawal of british troops or the strengthening of the union. hence the famous talks in '72

 

[Pickman's model]

It wasnt a war the "plan" was utterly bollocks you've got 200 odd gunmen against 300000 regular troops thats not war thats a lethal game of paintball

just so

 

[N_igma]

it was always recognised by the ira and the british state that there was going to be a political solution - whether that was the withdrawal of british troops or the strengthening of the union. hence the famous talks in '72

Aye although the Brits never considered giving in despite telling the Provos they were game.

 

[8den]

Yes I said it wasn't part of IRA policy to kill civilians. Destruction of property and disruption to day to day life yes but the actual killing of civilians was not a policy of the IRA.

Please explain how planting bombs in pubs isn't the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Please explain how the murder of Patsy Gillispse wasn't the deliberate targetting of civilians.

Please explain how planting bombs in Birmingham and Guilford pubs or in Warrington wasn't the deliberate targeting of civilians.

Yes civilians died in many cases and some IRA members did randomly kill civillians too but as I said it's hard to control every single action a terrorist organisation does. Fuck sakes the British army can't even control what its soldiers do.

Yeah I think lying in wait and planting a thousand bomb to kill 8 civilian construction workers. Or Omagh or Enniskillen. Jesus.

And then it's back to "yeah well whataboutry the British Army"

You might need to see a doctor your blood pressure must be sky high with you bashing that Caps Lock key. Writing in capital letters doesn't make you any more right in fact it makes you look like a twat but we all know that anyhow.

If you would just fucking man up and admit you were lying we'd all be alot happier.

 

[8den]

I said what the reasoning behind that was can you not read?

I call bullshit on it.

You can't say that planting a massive bomb in a pub or shopping center isn't targeting civilians even if you phone in a warning.

Your reasoning is simply defective.

 

[N_igma]

I call bullshit on it.

You can't say that planting a massive bomb in a pub or shopping center isn't targeting civilians even if you phone in a warning.

Your reasoning is simply defective.

You call bullshit but that was the reasoning. I said it was wrong, something I personally think is counter productive in an armed struggle. Although targeting financial districts is ok in my eyes as long as warnings are given and time is taken to evacuate everyone from the area.

Doesn't get away from the fact that the main focus was British crown forces. The statistics do actually back this up as you yourself inferred that 80 odd percent of their fatalities were this.

I still can't get over the fact you're blaming me for whatabouttery but you happily indulge in it yourself. I answered your point about this at least 3 times and you still go on about it. That's being wilfully obtuse it doesn't suit you.

e2a - it's a a Friday night and the football is on I'm away to have a few pints enjoy your weekend folks

 

[Pickman's model]

I call bullshit on it.

You can't say that planting a massive bomb in a pub or shopping center isn't targeting civilians even if you phone in a warning.

Your reasoning is simply defective.

you declare N_igma's reasoning defective but he has at least displayed some reasoning. simply insisting the ira deliberately targeted "civilians" and then repeatedly using guildford as an example despite the evidence doesn't show your own reasoning in the best of lights.

 

[likesfish]

Proxy bombs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_bomb

 

[Casually Red]

Then please explain how a bomb at shopping center, or a hotel, or a pub hundreds of miles away from Northern Irelands isn't deliberately targeting civilians.

the same gaybo bonoesque shite as usual

people like you were tied to lampposts in france in 44 . Anyone who can support the foreign occupation of any corner of their own nation is a deeply sad individual .

 

[Casually Red]

you declare N_igma's reasoning defective but he has at least displayed some reasoning. simply insisting the ira deliberately targeted "civilians" and then repeatedly using guildford as an example despite the evidence doesn't show your own reasoning in the best of lights.

the british government ran death squads which very deliberately targtted the civilian population . The Glennane gang alone killed over 120

your arguing with a muppet

 

[goldenecitrone]

the same gaybo bonoesque shite as usual

people like you were tied to lampposts in france in 44.

Back with your usual homophobic ranting, you rancid piece of shit. Why hasn't this dog turd been banned yet?

 

[sleaterkinney]

your arguing with a muppet

...

 

[laptop]

the same gaybo bonoesque shite as usual

Will gaybos be expelled from the brave new 32-county republic, or killed?

 

[Pickman's model]

the british government ran death squads which very deliberately targtted the civilian population . The Glennane gang alone killed over 120

your arguing with a muppet

very true

 

[eoin_k]

Will gaybos be expelled from the brave new 32-county republic, or killed?

I wasn't aware that he had been cloned?

 

[eoin_k]

Back with your usual homophobic ranting, you rancid piece of shit. Why hasn't this dog turd been banned yet?

I think you might be misreading this post.

 

[Pickman's model]

come in 8den your time is up

 

[N_igma]

Back with your usual homophobic ranting, you rancid piece of shit. Why hasn't this dog turd been banned yet?

To be fair do you know who gaybo is? It's not a homophobic slander but a dig at a free state media personality.

 

[Pickman's model]

Will gaybos be expelled from the brave new 32-county republic, or killed?

regularly seen on tv perhaps

 

[Pickman's model]

Back with your usual homophobic ranting, you rancid piece of shit. Why hasn't this dog turd been banned yet?

you thought you knew what you were talking about but your ignorance of gay byrne is obvious. are you man enough to apologise to Casually Red?

 

[goldenecitrone]

you thought you knew what you were talking about but your ignorance of gay byrne is obvious. are you man enough to apologise to Casually Red?

gaybo

When a known homophobe uses that word, instead of refering to Gaybo the person, it's clear what he's talking about. Are you man enough to admit your error in defending homophobic insults?

 

[bubblesmcgrath]

gaybo

When a known homophobe uses that word, instead of refering to Gaybo the person, it's clear what he's talking about. Are you man enough to admit your error in defending homophobic insults?

Gaybo is the nickname Gay Byrne presenter of the Late Late Show.
Gay has been affectionately known as and called Gaybo for years.....there was and is no link to the current use of the word Gay (as in homosexual).
Gay Byrne had the nickname Gaybo from a very early age....tying his first name Gabriel to his surname Byrne.
Please have a look...
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Byrne