General Election 2015 - chat, predictions, results and post election discussion

[ViolentPanda]

Well not employ scab labour could be a start.

That'd be a rational position for any politician to take, which is why so few will.

 

[ViolentPanda]

is a having a high street stall really thinking outside the box?

Well, I did say at the local market, not outside the public khazis!

 

[Kaka Tim]

60,000 members in England and wales now, pretty much 50,000 of which have joined in the last year.

how much momentum would a grass roots movement need to have before you considered it worthwhile people actually voting for them as opposed to labour?

Well outside of marginal seats it doesn't matter.

but i dont think it be can classed as a significant grassroots movement until a least 2 of the following are true: When its polling around 20%, can put a hundred thousand people on the streets, have support from or a strong presence within a significant section of the union movement, when they have wide spread involvement in community campaigns/actions and local politics.

 

[chilango]

The problem being that conventional publicity material is more likely to go straight in the recycling bin, than get read. It's a case of the law of diminishing returns - as politics gets shittier, fewer people are willing to pay any attention to flyers and other printed material containing the the party-political gibberings of politicians. The only thing that really still works in the conventional armoury is solid canvassing over a period of time, and even the major parties seldom have the constituency-level manpower to do that nowadays. 20-30 years ago things were different, but now? Even insurgent politics can't generally raise those sort of numbers at constituency level. The mass canvass at Barking & Dagenham in 2010 that saw off the BNP was a co-operative effort between Labour activists from the south-east of England, and other anti-fascist and anti-racist activists from all around the UK.

In fairness to my local Greens they've been regularly door knocking, leafleting and been visibly active in "dogshit politics" for as long as I've been living here. You can't fail to notice their presence and activity. It's won them councillors and will gain them more, plus a good vote in the FE I expect.

Labour are trying to do the same. Less successfully, but have caught on to what's hapenning at street level and are trying to take the Greens on.

It's basic stuff.

The lib Dems were usually very effective at it (when they still had activists). The BNP's moment in the sun came when they cottoned on. The IWCA also knew it's value.

Knock the doors: monthly, weekly, whatver. Speak to people, suss out what the local issues are, act on them and go around picking up dog shit and make sure everyone can see you going round picking up the dogshit.

...and do this week after week, month after month, year after year.

If you've left it till election time you've relinquished any power to shape the mood locally.

 

[weltweit]

 

[chilango]

The problem being that conventional publicity material is more likely to go straight in the recycling bin, than get read. It's a case of the law of diminishing returns - as politics gets shittier, fewer people are willing to pay any attention to flyers and other printed material containing the the party-political gibberings of politicians. The only thing that really still works in the conventional armoury is solid canvassing over a period of time, and even the major parties seldom have the constituency-level manpower to do that nowadays. 20-30 years ago things were different, but now? Even insurgent politics can't generally raise those sort of numbers at constituency level. The mass canvass at Barking & Dagenham in 2010 that saw off the BNP was a co-operative effort between Labour activists from the south-east of England, and other anti-fascist and anti-racist activists from all around the UK.

In fairness to my local Greens they've been regularly door knocking, leafleting and been visibly active in "dogshit politics" for as long as I've been living here. You can't fail to notice their presence and activity. It's won them councillors and will gain them more, plus a good vote in the FE I expect.

Labour are trying to do the same. Less successfully, but have caught on to what's hapenning at street level and are trying to take the Greens on.

It's basic stuff.

The lib Dems were usually very effective at it (when they still had activists). The BNP's moment in the sun came when they cottoned on. The IWCA also knew it's value.

Knock the doors: monthly, weekly, whatver. Speak to people, suss out what the local issues are, act on them and go around picking up dog shit and make sure everyone can see you going round picking up the dogshit.

...and do this week after week, month after month, year after year.

If you've left it till election time you've relinquished any power to shape the mood locally.

 

[killer b]

Finger on the pulse there.

 

[Brechin Sprout]

if you think the greens are shit= must be a Labour supporter

I'm guessing you don't really mean that?

 

[DotCommunist]

.

 

[brogdale]

"Inside Croydon" celebrate Cameron's 'brain fade' that occurred on their own turf...

Was this morning in Croydon the point where David Cameron finally, fully, exposed himself for being the full of Bullingdon bogusness that the majority of the country has suspected for a decade? Because only a 9-carat Old Etonian bullshitter would somehow forget what football team they claim to support.

The piece goes on to effectively interrogate the BME-friendly claims made by the leader of the nasty party. Good stuff, as ever.

 

[Dogsauce]

Doing the rounds on Twitter today, this from 2012

 

[DotCommunist]

I'm guessing you don't really mean that?

no, it was the message I was getting from the post above mine. 'but Labourism' always comes out around election time if you dare to slag any party.

 

[brogdale]

Vote winner.

Rent rises for 11 million people living in private accommodation will be capped at the rate of inflation if Labour wins the general election on 7 May, Ed Miliband will announce on Sunday.

 

[Belushi]

That's going to cause some squeals.

 

[brogdale]

That's going to cause some squeals.

I suspect it will just mean that there would be no 3 year tenancies?

....during new three-year secure tenancies, landlords will be barred from increasing rents in any one year above the level of price rises as recorded in the consumer price index.

 

[weepiper]

I note it just says 'during NEW three-year secure tenancies'. Unless they're going to impose three-year tenancies on all existing landlords it doesn't mean fuck all.

 

[gosub]

I note it just says 'during NEW three-year secure tenancies'. Unless they're going to impose three-year tenancies on all existing landlords it doesn't mean fuck all.

Well it does, it means 3 year tenancy won't be offered, not that they are common now open didn't see brogdale said the same

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

I'm wary of any post liked by the borderline vegetable "gosub"

 

[DotCommunist]

at last! he rips his shirt asunder to reveal the big hammer and sickle on the t shirt underneath *plays internationale on the comb*

 

[Favelado]

Nationalisation of rail network, Blackpool Pleasure Beach and Pot Noodle factory to be announced Monday morning.

 

[Maurice Picarda]

Miliband said this a year ago. It's not new.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Vote winner.

May 16th every year announced as National Rent Evaluation Day. May 15th announced as National Suspiciously High Inflation Day.

 

[Quartz]

May 16th every year announced as National Rent Evaluation Day. May 15th announced as National Suspiciously High Inflation Day.

Do I perchance detect just the teeniest hit of cynicism?

 

[Quartz]

Vote winner.

In prosperous areas, what landlord is going to be foolish enough to agree to a 3-year tenancy? Perhaps one that's increased the rent markedly. As for disclosing prior rents, so what? If the prospective tenant insists on trying to pay the former rent, the landlord will tell them to look elsewhere.

And if they try to extend it, look for tenancies to be one day (or month) shorter than the fixed-rent period, with mandatory eviction / renegotiation. And rents will be calculated on one month less than that period rather than the full period. Moving can be expensive, so tenants will be over a barrel.

This is a vote loser for anyone who thinks it through, but few will.

 

[Spanky Longhorn]

In prosperous areas, what landlord is going to be foolish enough to agree to a 3-year tenancy? Perhaps one that's increased the rent markedly. As for disclosing prior rents, so what? If the prospective tenant insists on trying to pay the former rent, the landlord will tell them to look elsewhere.

And if they try to extend it, look for tenancies to be one day (or month) shorter than the fixed-rent period, with mandatory eviction / renegotiation. And rents will be calculated on one month less than that period rather than the full period. Moving can be expensive, so tenants will be over a barrel.

This is a vote loser for anyone who thinks it through, but few will.

as I have gosub on ignore this is the most stupid post I've read in a while

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

In prosperous areas, what landlord is going to be foolish enough to agree to a 3-year tenancy?

I guess they will have to choose between being a landlord and the noose. Eh, maybe, perhaps, hrrrrm

 

[SE25]

I was feeling like voting Labour this time round but I saw a TUSC ad on TV. Who the fuck are they and why are/aren't they useless?

 

[Buckaroo]

I was feeling like voting Labour this time round but I saw a TUSC ad on TV. Who the fuck are they and why are/aren't they useless?

.

 

[imposs1904]

 

[redsquirrel]

I was feeling like voting Labour this time round but I saw a TUSC ad on TV. Who the fuck are they and why are/aren't they useless?

Trade Union and Socialist Coalition

There are bunch of threads on here about them, including one about their 2015 campaign.
http://www.urban75.net/forums/threads/tusc-election-campaign-2015.333061/