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new article today on 'another nickel in the machine'

David Hemmings, Blow-Up and the Red Buildings on the Stockwell Road

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Amazing - have seen that film a couple of times and had no idea that scene was filmed right where I lived for about five years - had a view of that stretch of Stockwell rd from my window.

You can recognise what's now the Queen's Head in the first couple of seconds of the clip.




And I still sometimes get my prescriptions from this pharmacy...:thumbs:

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Amazing - have seen that film a couple of times and had no idea that scene was filmed right where I lived for about five years - had a view of that stretch of Stockwell rd from my window.

You can recognise what's now the Queen's Head in the first couple of seconds of the clip.




And I still sometimes get my prescriptions from this pharmacy...:thumbs:

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When I first came to London I stayed for a bit in Tulse hill.I bought my bike from Pride and Clarke in those red buildings (Norton Commando Interstate 850[actually only 828]) they wouldn't insure me so I fucked off lived in Dublin for a couple of years then rode it to Pakistan and back via nord cap (no licence no insurance no fuck all) I have a very nostalgic view of those group of shops.
 
Looks like they had quite an empire going on there. Perhaps also explains why quite a few of the shop units are still knocked together or at least have the appearance of being so.
 
Some background from reggae writer Penny Reel on the early life of the late Larry Lawrence, proprietor of My Fathers Place on Coldharbour Lane for many years and owner of the Ethnic Fight record label. Always a kind and generous soul whenever I knew him.

Lord Briscoe: Mr Cleveland (King Edwards)

Raymond Headford, Larry Lawrence, Cleveland Lawrence, Rae Cheddie, Lloyd Briscoe and Earl George Lawrence are all young men from Rae Town, just east of downtown Kingston, Jamaica. All are members of a JLP posse called the Stingrays. The head of this nasty, little gang, Rae Conniff, is shot down and killed by a PNP enforcer named Bucky Lerner; apparently, a distant relation of Natty Bo, the beigel boy. Headford and the Lawrence family, the two brothers, Larry and Cleveland, together with their confident younger cousin, Earl George, are formerly members of a street gang called the Ethnics. Cheddie, Briscoe and Conniff are in the Fights gang. When these outfits meet together as friends and partners-in-crime, they consider calling themselves the Ethnic-Fights, but are dissuaded of the idea by Joe Higgs, so the Stingrays they become. However, it does give young Larry an idea. Yes, my dear.

Cleveland Lawrence is the joker in the pack. He always has a mad grin on his cheeky clock; which is not surprising, because he is mad. He is totally bonkers. Cleve wears a black beret on his head and begs cigarettes in Acklam Road, off Orange Street. He argues with Malachi and fights with Owen Brown on Portobello Green. He has a job as a plumber, an alcoholic plumber, and staggers about in a drunken haze.

Peel head John Crow sit ’pon the tree top; pick out the blossom. Let me hol’ yuh han’, gal; let me hol’ yuh han’.

Lloyd Briscoe, who sometimes calls himself Lord Briscoe, does not like Cleevy at all, at all. Rather unusually, he accuses Cleveland of having a heart like a bayonet. Nor has he much time for Earl George Lawrence, a better singer than he, though a lesser man. Yes, I. A true; a true! Every word me say, a true.

“Mr Cleveland and you Lawrence,” he declares. “Your smiling face is just a bait to seek intent from your heart like bayonet.”

Cleve, Larry and Earl George have a feud with two knife-wielding badmen named Doo Izah and also Westman the Same from Arnett Gardens, who are good spars of the man Bucky Lerner and his sidekick Barry Adler, Lilac Lou as he is known. Lilac Lou threatens people with a gun and steals their money and their herb up at Mellowmix in Stoke Newington. Lilac is a good friend of Maxi Priest and Ray Charles, Craig Charles’ brother. Maxi has a white bird in Manchester named Martha and a mixed race chick in Salford called Minnie Caldwell. His frequent trips to the suburbs of Manchester are how he becomes friendly with the Scouser, Raymond Charles. He also knows Freddie of Freddie And The Dreamers and Allan Clarke of the Hollies. Clarkey and he have a terrible fight one night with Paul Morley and Alan Erasmus at the Factory. Morley is hospitalised. It is the main reason why proud Paul relocates to the Smoke, London. Erasmus stays behind in Wythenshawe.

In the early 1960s, though, all these men are friends. Lilac Lou stays at the Lawrence house often and helps out on Rae Lawrence’s farm. He milks the cow and walks the dog.

Then Sir Donald Sangster dies and Hugh Shearer and Eddie Seaga rise to become the two most prominent politicians in the JLP. Both of these men are evil. Things and time will tell on them. Teeth and tongue will meet. Seen!
The brothers Larry and Cleveland flee Jamaica and resettle in London. Headford heads for Sligoville and hides out there. Rae Cheddie and Lloyd Barnes from the feared and fearsome Bullwackies gang leave for New York. Earl George Lawrence befriends Militant Barry and goes to live with him and Jah Woosh in Allman Town. Lord Briscoe is shot dead by Westman the Same. It is a chaotic time a Yard. Yes, my children.

Before his assassination in 1967, Lord Briscoe is a prolific singer in Jamaica. During a brief six month period in 1964, he records ten titles, six for Leslie Kong, which are released on his Beverley’s record label, and four for Vin Edwards’ King Edwards label, idiosyncratic tunes like the aforementioned ‘Mr Cleveland’, plus ‘Fabulous Eyes’, ‘Jonah (The Master)’, ‘Praise For I’, ‘Trojan’ and ‘Spiritual Mambo’, all of which are satisfactory, brisk ska-based music. Prior to this Earl George Lawrence cuts ‘Garden Of Eden’ for Mr. Kong, in 1963. Six years later, the Tuff Gong from Trench Town, Bob Marley, adapts this song as ‘Adam And Eve’. Earl George goes on to make dozens of records, including several for Lee Perry as George Faith.
And every one of us is living in sin.

‘Praise For I’ by Lord Briscoe for Beverley’s is another great ska disc. “The time has come for I,” he says. “You must look and open up your eyes, for the good is that you must abide.”

‘Troy is a nation and they all are named Trojan,” he chants on ‘Trojan’. “So, all my people must come and hear my sound. Listen when you hear my sound and tell it to your friends, who do not understand,”

On ‘Jonah (The Master)’, he leads his Trojan warriors, all orthodox, Haredi Jews from Hendon, to Nineveh, to warn the nation “Jonah, Jonah, where are you going?” they ask. “The master has sent me to warn the nation,” he replies. “We are going to Nineveh to warn.” At which point, Baba Brook soars in with an amazing trumpet solo.

The story of Jonah in the belly of a whale is one of the oddest accounts in the Bible. It begins with God speaking to Jonah, son of Amittai, and commanding him to preach repentance to the city of Nineveh. Jonah finds this edict unbearable. Not only is Nineveh known for its wickedness, but it is also the capital of the Assyrian Empire, one of Israel’s fiercest enemies.
Stubborn Jonah goes down to the seaport of Joppa and books his passage on a ship to Tarshish, heading directly away from Nineveh. In response, God sends a violent storm, which threatens to break the ship to pieces. The terrified crew cast lots and determines that Jonah is responsible for the storm. They toss him into the sea, and the water immediately grows calm.

However, instead of drowning, Jonah is swallowed by a whale, leading Jonah to conclude that, “Salvation comes from the Lord”. Eventually, the whale vomits up the reluctant prophet.

This time, Jonah walks through Nineveh proclaiming that in forty days the city will be destroyed. Somewhat surprisingly, the Ninevites believe Jonah’s message and solemnly repent by wearing sackcloth and covering themselves in ashes. God has compassion on them and does not destroy them.

‘Fabulous Eyes’ is another strange story. “Virtuous face and fabulous eyes, fabulous eyes, fabulous eyes, I went to meet on Orange Street. A man came after me.

“He said he did not want my raise, he wanted for to give me praise. He said, ‘You have a lovely fame, on the time looking for rain’.”

‘Spiritual Mambo’ is a record that is suitable to dance the mento, the limbo or the ska to, or at least to tap your foot along with. It features Charles Organera blowing his harmonica and the good Lord Briscoe whooping it up. A cross rhythm in a Latin-American groove gives it a unique feel.

Anyway, after Brisco is killed, Larry Lawrence and brother Cleve throw a party to celebrate the demise of their former friend. Rae Lawrence dies and leaves his sons a legacy, enabling Larry to set up a pattie and hardough bread shop in Brixton that is dedicated to his old man, a retreat named My Father’s Place, along Coldharbour Lane. Cleveland squanders his money on white rum and ganga.

Westman the Same is shot by Claudie Massop. Doo Izah is found sans head in a gully along the Spanish Town Road, murdered by JLP beasts. Earl George Lawrence remains on the run. He changes his name to George Faith to elude capture and now lives in Miami. Ray Headford dies ravaged by drugs. Larry Lawrence succumbs to cancer in the early 21st Century. Cleveland Lawrence lives on, his inane smile intact; he pesters people for change along Golborne Road and gets juiced in the Elgin public house on Ladbroke Grove every night.

Penny Reel suggests that Lord Lloyd Briscoe’s small catalogue of unusual recordings represent a rich seam in the vein of Jamaica’s masterful musical tapestry; to mix our metaphors between the businesses of mining and embroidery somewhat.

Yes, my darlings. Come mek me hol’ yuh hand.

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Some background from reggae writer Penny Reel on the early life of the late Larry Lawrence, proprietor of My Fathers Place on Coldharbour Lane for many years and owner of the Ethnic Fight record label. Always a kind and generous soul whenever I knew him.
I posted this elsewhere - but just for completeness, My Fathers Place started as a record shop. I think it changed to a restaurant/bar before 1990, but not as smart initially as the photo above. The record shop is shown in a 1986 photo below.
By local (Coldharbour Lane) accounts Larry was indeed a bad boy, but in the late 80s had a car accident in Jamaica which he said led him to become "born again" or at least a reformed character, putting his energies into his restaurant.
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I posted this elsewhere - but just for completeness, My Fathers Place started as a record shop. I think it changed to a restaurant/bar before 1990, but not as smart initially as the photo above. The record shop is shown in a 1986 photo below.
By local (Coldharbour Lane) accounts Larry was indeed a bad boy, but in the late 80s had a car accident in Jamaica which he said led him to become "born again" or at least a reformed character, putting his energies into his restaurant.
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I've still got those pics you sent me and I will sort out an article soon - promise!
 
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I posted this elsewhere - but just for completeness, My Fathers Place started as a record shop. I think it changed to a restaurant/bar before 1990, but not as smart initially as the photo above. The record shop is shown in a 1986 photo below.
By local (Coldharbour Lane) accounts Larry was indeed a bad boy, but in the late 80s had a car accident in Jamaica which he said led him to become "born again" or at least a reformed character, putting his energies into his restaurant.

I didn't know that. By the time I moved there in the 90's it was already My Fathers Place, but he would let me wander round the back of the shop to go through his boxes of records and always had time to chat about is musical history.
 
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posted by @robnitm on tweeter today



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wonder just how foxtons would describe them...

Any idea of the precise location?
Seems to me it could be Wyck Gardens (where Ebony Horse Club is now), with Milbrook Road in the background and a now removed part of Angell Road in the foreground.

My 1930 Bartholomews Handy Reference Atlas to London & Suburbs give no definitive answer - there is no obvious green space which could be Loughborough Gardens. But it does show Milbrook Road extending all the way to Loughborough Road and Angell Road cutting across Barrington Road such that a park/green space could have existed there. And it would explain the road in the foreground.

Can't see it being in the Loughborough Park area - Loughborough Park existed, but was surrounded by mid-Victorian house which still exist.
 
Any idea of the precise location?

Taking 'Loughborough Gardens' at face value, I'm struggling to get a perspective on where in the park it could have been. Loughborough Gardens itself is shown as allotments - many parks etc were dug up for allotments during the war.

A look on Old Maps - head for the 1951 1:1250 map shows Loughborough Park as being fully surrounded by houses (including on the west side of Loughborough Park as far south as Moorland Road)

That map also shows a cul-de-sac of small detatched properties called 'Park Gardens' running where Tilia Walk is now, only more so. The short life of these properties and the era make me fairly sure they would have been pre-fabs. But the layout is not anything like this picture.

Hmm.

[All of above now a side issue but left as of possible interest]

I've tried another tack and come up with a better version of this picture (on brixton blog here) -

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which says it's where the Loughborough Estate now is.

Hmm.

Nailed the bugger.

A (temporary) street called Loughborough Gardens, not in Loughborough Gardens - Here (again, go to the 1951 map) - off Loughborough Road, roughly where the south end of Styles Gardens is now - just north of the junction with (then) Minet Road. Photographer is on Loughborough Road near the Barrington Road junction, facing east - the large building in the background is the railway electric sub station on the west side of the railway, just where the three lines join north of Loughborough Junction.
 
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which says it's where the Loughborough Estate now is.
Nailed the bugger.

A (temporary) street called Loughborough Gardens, not in Loughborough Gardens - Here (again, go to the 1951 map) - off Loughborough Road, roughly where the south end of Styles Gardens is now - just north of the junction with (then) Minet Road. Photographer is on Loughborough Road near the Barrington Road junction, facing east - the large building in the background is the railway electric sub station on the west side of the railway, just where the three lines join north of Loughborough Junction.
Agreed - the railway electricity substation seals it.
 
on tweeter today from old london mush



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(the concept of a 'change pit' is explained here - inner London's tramways were built with electric live rails in a 'conduit' between the outer tracks, but much of outer London (including the bit from Effra Road to the West Norwood terminus) were on the (much cheaper to build / maintain) overhead wire system. Change pits allowed trams to change from one to the other.)

Route 33 ran via the Kingsway Subway from West Norwood to Manor House (it transmogrified in to the 172 bus)
 
on tweeter today from old london mush



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(the concept of a 'change pit' is explained here - inner London's tramways were built with electric live rails in a 'conduit' between the outer tracks, but much of outer London (including the bit from Effra Road to the West Norwood terminus) were on the (much cheaper to build / maintain) overhead wire system. Change pits allowed trams to change from one to the other.)

Route 33 ran via the Kingsway Subway from West Norwood to Manor House (it transmogrified in to the 172 bus)

Did the number buses and trams differently?
 
Did the number buses and trams differently?

yes - assuming you mean the route numbers (which London tram people called 'service' numbers and London bus people called 'route numbers' but let's not confuse matters. the vehicles had their own numbering sequence as well - I suspect 1956 on this photo was the number of the individual tram - certainly not the date.)

Until 1933 when London Transport was formed, trams and buses were run by separate organisations - buses by the London General and a few others, trams in inner London by the London County Council (outer London had a mix of company and council operators - councils including Croydon had their own trams) and each had their own route numbering system.

this tram is on service 33 (broadly speaking, odd number tram routes were north London, even numbers were south London, but the Kingsway Subway routes were in the north London sequence.)

there were a few places where tram and bus routes with the same number overlapped - e.g. the 54 bus (Woolwich - Croydon ish) ran alongside the 54 tram (Grove Park - Victoria - today's 136 bus at the Grove Park end) between Lewisham and Catford, 68 bus and 68 tram overlapped Elephant - Waterloo. but intending passengers must have coped with it somehow.

Trolleybuses got numbered in to the 500+ / 600+ sequence (generally adding 500 or 600 to the old tram route number), and had the war not happened, south London's trams would have been replaced by trolleybuses by about 1942/3 so presume London Transport was prepared to put up with this as a short term thing.
 
Are bus routes 2 and 3 through brixton from early bus routes, as they have such low numbers?
There is a fabulously detailed account of the history of routes 2, 2A and 2B on wikipedia London Buses route 2 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Extract:
Route 2 was the last West End bus route that was operated by step-entrance buses other than AEC Routemasters. Like most low numbered routes, it was originally a cross-London service, which ran from Crystal Palace to North Finchley, later cut back to Golders Green. During peak hours it extended to Arnos Grove station via Whetstone.[1]

another interesting observation from that page:
The 2/2A/2B used London's first bus lane, southbound on Vauxhall Bridge, coming into operation on 26 February 1968.[1]
 
(the concept of a 'change pit' is explained here - inner London's tramways were built with electric live rails in a 'conduit' between the outer tracks, but much of outer London (including the bit from Effra Road to the West Norwood terminus) were on the (much cheaper to build / maintain) overhead wire system. Change pits allowed trams to change from one to the other.)

Didn't trams also get pulled up Brixton Hill via mechanical cables (in a conduit) at some point?
 
Are bus routes 2 and 3 through brixton from early bus routes, as they have such low numbers?
Glad you asked that question as I wanted to know the same thing. Bus route 3 is if anything even more complicated.
London Buses route 3 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The one that I use a lot and has changed considerably even over the last
Here's some more trams on Brixton Hill:

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159 obviously became the 159 we know and love - but bus 157 in all my time has been an outer suburban route taking in places like Raynes Park, Morden, St Helier, Crystal Palace and Croydon.
 
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