danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
That was one of my favourite bits!
Forthcoming ACG Public Meeting on War in Ukraine
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frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
What makes the pre 1914 wars progressive? (Probably going to regret asking)
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
The International Communist Carlsberg says the Boer War was probably the best war in the world.
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
If my memory serves me right, it's something to do with capitalism being a progressive force, making the conditions for global revolution but in 1914, when all the global powers turned against each other, then capitalism went into its decadent rather than progressive phase, likewise, their wars
Whenever the ICC talk about decadence, I always envision bohemian types sitting around smoking opium and drinking absynthe,
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
I'm sure the ICC would love to receive an email from you to fully discuss the matter.
petee
no gods, no malarkey
* ahem * i was a hanger-on with the ICC here in NYC for awhile. solid bunch of people mind.
but in the spirit of this thread, once two guys from the IP showed up and flipped the script you're describing, taking the floor and trying to flog their own literature during an ICC meeting. it was uncomfortable, the more so as most of them knew each other and i wondered exactly what the IP were hoping to achieve, holding forth in front of mostly their acquaintances.
but in the spirit of this thread, once two guys from the IP showed up and flipped the script you're describing, taking the floor and trying to flog their own literature during an ICC meeting. it was uncomfortable, the more so as most of them knew each other and i wondered exactly what the IP were hoping to achieve, holding forth in front of mostly their acquaintances.
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Shechemite
Be the sun and all will see you
Next ACG meeting: “Do we need a revolutionary party? Headbangers welcome.”
Left Communism is just weird. Decadence allows them to get in a bit of multitudinous positionism, like defending the Second International (that expelled the anarchists for being anti-parliamentarian) whilst being anti-parliamentarians themselves.
Lurdan
old wave
indeed. But that's a function of periodisation rather than of left communism as such. It's not central to all forms of left communism and examples can be found across all far left and ultra-far left currents. "Imperialism The Highest Stage of Capitalist Development" "The Downturn" "Fordism".
Once it's been determined that we've "entered a new period" we have "new possibilities" "new challenges" and "new tasks" calling for new leaflets. Faced with the uncertainty this 'shock of the new' might provoke, "fortunately" we have the same old "class organizations" with the same old "leading cadres" and the same old "leading theorists" to orient us. It's dialectical innit.
I figured it must be dialectical. As an anarchist I've always thought that's a right load of old bollocks. And a handy way for making a complete U turn whilst insisting you were always right all along!
rekil
to menny cranks
I tend to think of of it as eating viennetta in the bath while the cleaner is in. I don't have much of an imagination however.
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Oh, is 1914 when viennetta was invented? It all makes sense now.
Lurdan
old wave
Always felt the same.
Of course 'it is a truth universally acknowledged', that a single leading element in possession of a right load of old bollocks, must be in want of a left load of old bollocks, in dialectic with it. Unless, of course, like Hitler, you're suffering from an extreme form of 'combined and uneven development'.
Lurdan
old wave
Periodisation - or at least the more "successful" forms of it - isn't usually applied in quite as 'rigid' a way as that. (Although a recollection comes to mind of a member of the ICC very confidently asserting that if I told him the date I considered the Russian revolution had degenerated he would be able to deduce the whole of my politics from that). Even in the more rigidly prescriptive forms of it you need a degree of
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
And lest we forget... the cod war. The things they did, all for a nice chippy tea.
frogwoman
No amount of cajolery...
Nothing decadent about good honest fish and chips tho. Have the ICC factored this one into their analysis
Serge Forward
Just enjoyin' my coffee.
It was pennies for a chippy tea in the early 70s. My mam used to send me to the chippy with a big shopping bag to hide the grub, just in case the neighbours saw me walking home from the chippy and thought we were poor 
After the cod war though, such a feast as cod, chips, mushy peas and gravy became proper extravagant, no longer embarrassing and so the bag was not required. Now chippy tea is positively decadent (especially with Vienetta for pud).
So what would the ICC say to that? I think we should be told.
After the cod war though, such a feast as cod, chips, mushy peas and gravy became proper extravagant, no longer embarrassing and so the bag was not required. Now chippy tea is positively decadent (especially with Vienetta for pud).So what would the ICC say to that? I think we should be told.
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
I never read those dense columns of ICC text and so missed on what appears a genuinely funny newspaper, haha where I just thought it peculiar
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Turns out the recording of this is online now:
Sadly we're denied the chance to hear what the ICC had to say about fish'n'chips though. Also for the record I'd disagree with how the speaker characterises the Russian anarchist movement, I think CRAS/KRAS seem to be a bit of an outlier and groups like Autonomous Action and Anarchist Militant, while certainly "internationalist" in the sense of opposing any compromise with the Russian state, are closer to the defeatist/anti-imperialist/anarcho-trenchist position than the strict nwbcw line of CRAS and the ACG? I can't see that much difference between the Belarusian movement and the non-CRAS Russian groups, from what I've seen?
Sadly we're denied the chance to hear what the ICC had to say about fish'n'chips though. Also for the record I'd disagree with how the speaker characterises the Russian anarchist movement, I think CRAS/KRAS seem to be a bit of an outlier and groups like Autonomous Action and Anarchist Militant, while certainly "internationalist" in the sense of opposing any compromise with the Russian state, are closer to the defeatist/anti-imperialist/anarcho-trenchist position than the strict nwbcw line of CRAS and the ACG? I can't see that much difference between the Belarusian movement and the non-CRAS Russian groups, from what I've seen?
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The ICC can do their own podcasts if they want.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Ah yeah, I forgot you had a 'technical' interruption of endless white noise....
hitmouse
so defeated, thinks it's funny
Letting the ICC have typewriters caused enough problems, god knows what they'll get up to if they have mp3s!
