Firebox run by Counterfire: Champagne socialism.

[butchersapron]

I sense a plan starting to come together...

 

[comrade spurski]

I think there is a surreal view that supporting England means you are siding with the English state. If I remember correctly they call it revolutionary defeatism...support everyone who plays against England so supporting Australia in the cricket is alright even though the Australian state is appallingly racist (presumably the Australian swp support England in the ashes)
I had mates who were great anti racists, brilliant trade unionists etc. who wanted England to win but somehow they were politically "backwards".
I personally hate the press and tv's over bearing hyping of everything England so prefer football tournaments without England but the idea that I am politically better than anyone else because I ain't supporting England is rubbish. Most of my mates are quite capable of telling the difference between supporting England at a sport and supporting a war!
I don't like seeing the St Georges flag or Union Jack all over the place but to claim or imply (deliberately or not) that all those flying it are racists is dangerous as in my experience a poorly constructed argument/ allegation can make people keep them up out of bloody mindedness.
I hate to say it but it always comes across as a well meaning middle class white thing on the "Revolutionary Left"... it's a sport ... people can support who they want...the "cricket test" is wrong and in my opinion so is the "defeatism test"

 

[Casually Red]

oi idris, whats the story with the new avatar ?

is that some sort of turkish yoke ? Please elucidate me when you get the time.

 

[Nice one]

Parody and satire is very difficult.

I mean they even call their menu a ... Menufesto!

if you cant beat em

 

[Casually Red]

I think there is a surreal view that supporting England means you are siding with the English state. If I remember correctly they call it revolutionary defeatism...support everyone who plays against England so supporting Australia in the cricket is alright even though the Australian state is appallingly racist (presumably the Australian swp support England in the ashes)
I had mates who were great anti racists, brilliant trade unionists etc. who wanted England to win but somehow they were politically "backwards".
I personally hate the press and tv's over bearing hyping of everything England so prefer football tournaments without England but the idea that I am politically better than anyone else because I ain't supporting England is rubbish. Most of my mates are quite capable of telling the difference between supporting England at a sport and supporting a war!
I don't like seeing the St Georges flag or Union Jack all over the place but to claim or imply (deliberately or not) that all those flying it are racists is dangerous as in my experience a poorly constructed argument/ allegation can make people keep them up out of bloody mindedness.
I hate to say it but it always comes across as a well meaning middle class white thing on the "Revolutionary Left"... it's a sport ... people can support who they want...the "cricket test" is wrong and in my opinion so is the "defeatism test"

i fucking pissed myself that time san marino scored against them . Rang up my mate in a bar in york just to gloat down the phone

 

[butchersapron]

It took them a year to learn how to work the coffee machine - i think the move into smoothies is born of technofear.

 

[Casually Red]

borne

jesus christ speak the queens properly or not at all

 

[Nice one]

the blackberry bloc: it's not a smoothie, it's a form of communication!

 

[Tom A]

I think there is a surreal view that supporting England means you are siding with the English state. If I remember correctly they call it revolutionary defeatism...support everyone who plays against England so supporting Australia in the cricket is alright even though the Australian state is appallingly racist (presumably the Australian swp support England in the ashes)
I had mates who were great anti racists, brilliant trade unionists etc. who wanted England to win but somehow they were politically "backwards".
I personally hate the press and tv's over bearing hyping of everything England so prefer football tournaments without England but the idea that I am politically better than anyone else because I ain't supporting England is rubbish. Most of my mates are quite capable of telling the difference between supporting England at a sport and supporting a war!
I don't like seeing the St Georges flag or Union Jack all over the place but to claim or imply (deliberately or not) that all those flying it are racists is dangerous as in my experience a poorly constructed argument/ allegation can make people keep them up out of bloody mindedness.
I hate to say it but it always comes across as a well meaning middle class white thing on the "Revolutionary Left"... it's a sport ... people can support who they want...the "cricket test" is wrong and in my opinion so is the "defeatism test"

I have at times supported England in the football, but took an "Anyone but England" stance in Euro 2012 because UEFA seemed to turn a blind eye on the chronic racism and anti-Semitism prevalent among supporters in the host countries, as depicted in the Panorama documentary "Stadiums of Hate", which would have made your average 80s English hooligan blush, and called on the tournament to be boycotted. In the wake of what's happening in Brazil I will be taking a similar stance with next year's World Cup. What helps is the fact that England is generally crap anyway, and our Premier League is an epitome of all that's wrong with modern football

However, I don't think there's anything inherently reactionary in supporting the sports team of the country you were born in/live in/grew up in.

 

[butchersapron]

borne

jesus christ speak the queens properly or not at all

No, that's borne by, not born of. Next!

All them years you've been using it wrong.

 

[Tom A]

But how about we all get a "flash mob" into Firebox, with all of us wearing tracksuits/football shirts/'trendy' gear? The danger is that they may think that they have come under attack by fascists though

 

[J Ed]

But how about we all get a "flash mob" into Firebox, with all of us wearing tracksuits/football shirts/'trendy' gear? The danger is that they may thing that they have come under attack by fascists though

Clare Solomon will spit in your Asturian (??) miners' (????) breakfast lol

 

[Tom A]

Clare Solomon will spit in your Asturian (??) miners' breakfast lol

Well we could all have a glass of tap water, then feck off to Maccy D's afterwards

 

[Nice one]

I think there is a surreal view that supporting England means you are siding with the English state. If I remember correctly they call it revolutionary defeatism...support everyone who plays against England so supporting Australia in the cricket is alright even though the Australian state is appallingly racist (presumably the Australian swp support England in the ashes)
I had mates who were great anti racists, brilliant trade unionists etc. who wanted England to win but somehow they were politically "backwards".
I personally hate the press and tv's over bearing hyping of everything England so prefer football tournaments without England but the idea that I am politically better than anyone else because I ain't supporting England is rubbish. Most of my mates are quite capable of telling the difference between supporting England at a sport and supporting a war!
I don't like seeing the St Georges flag or Union Jack all over the place but to claim or imply (deliberately or not) that all those flying it are racists is dangerous as in my experience a poorly constructed argument/ allegation can make people keep them up out of bloody mindedness.
I hate to say it but it always comes across as a well meaning middle class white thing on the "Revolutionary Left"... it's a sport ... people can support who they want...the "cricket test" is wrong and in my opinion so is the "defeatism test"

got a few raised eyebrows from my fellow middle managers when i said i wanted to introduce a sports page to britain's leading anarchist newspaper.

 

[emanymton]

Tastes at least as nice as Coke but only costs about 60p a bottle

So it tastes like shit then? everyone knows Pepsi is the Cola of choice for the real working class.

 

[butchersapron]

Coke zero for anti-fascists who want to keep in shape.

edit: oops thought this was the edl thread

 

[sihhi]

got a few raised eyebrows from my fellow middle managers when i said i wanted to introduce a sports page to britain's leading anarchist newspaper.

Are you a middle manager Nice one?

 

[Casually Red]

No, that's borne by, not born of. Next!

All them years you've been using it wrong.

youre wrong and im right

cest la vie

 

[DotCommunist]

So it tastes like shit then? everyone knows Pepsi is the Cola of choice for the real working class.

Irn-Bru

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

got a few raised eyebrows from my fellow middle managers when i said i wanted to introduce a sports page to britain's leading anarchist newspaper.

Anarchist newspapers have 'middle management'?

 

[rekil]

But how about we all get a "flash mob" into Firebox, with all of us wearing tracksuits/football shirts/'trendy' gear? The danger is that they may think that they have come under attack by fascists though

Wear Clare Solomon tshirts in homage to her "I'm in control!" moment from the student protest.

 

[frogwoman]

Isn't she meant to be really annoying in real life?

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

But how about we all get a "flash mob" into Firebox, with all of us wearing tracksuits/football shirts/'trendy' gear? The danger is that they may think that they have come under attack by fascists though

Everyone just enters one-by-one over a period of about half an hour. A kind of slow motion flash mob.

 

[Casually Red]

Wear Clare Solomon tshirts in homage to her "I'm in control!" moment from the student protest.

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that bird beside her with the megaphone just looks sooooo stereotypical lefty. Every box ticked . Harry potter with a palestinian scarf and hi viz vest...the ennnui simply engulfs one

 

[ViolentPanda]

borne

jesus christ speak the queens properly or not at all

Born of = comes from

Borne = carried.

The former is correct, the latter would be the sort of thing a Gaelic-gibbering croppie would vomit forth.

 

[emanymton]

Irn-Bru

Not a Cola!!

 

[Tom A]

Not a Cola!!

You're thinking of Dr. Pepper (which is actually part of Coca-Cola in this country, although it's a company in its own right in the US).

 

[SpineyNorman]

that bird beside her with the megaphone just looks sooooo stereotypical lefty. Every box ticked . Harry potter with a palestinian scarf and hi viz vest...the ennnui simply engulfs one

Bird?

And I think its a bloke lol

 

[butchersapron]

Bird?

And I think its a bloke lol

Bird is proper normal for people where he is from.

 

[tufty79]

Everyone just enters one-by-one over a period of about half an hour. A kind of slow motion flash mob.

a slow motion pseudo-fash mob, no?


i'm here all week/you should try the fish etc.