F1 2024
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Things teams need to manufacturer on their own
While teams are constructors and build their cars on their own, the complex nature of Formula One cars and business models mean that they can source parts from third parties. With the alliance between Red Bull and its sister team, the freshly-renamed Visa Cash App RB set to intensify from 2024, the scale of cooperation between teams has become a hot topic once again. Haas and Ferrari introduced a new model in 2016 when the Kannapolis-based outfit joined the F1 grid eight years ago. The American squad established a very unique model which saw the team build on different different locations. The team is headquartered in Kannapolis, the U.S., but its has a factory in Banbury while the chassis is built in Italy by Dallara. However, Haas F1 Team established a nee Design Office in Ferrari’s Maranello-based factory, bringing the cooperation of the two teams a step higher.Elsewhere, Red Bull have never established a cooperation between their two teams – Red Bull and Toro Rosso / AlphaTauri / Visa Cash App RB – in such an extent that Ferrari and Haas have built up over the years. However, things appear to change for the foreseeable future. Following the tragic death of Red Bull owner Dietrich Mateschitz, the existence of the energy drink company’s teams has become uncertain. It has been rumoured that Red Bull might sell its sister team, but ultimately they opted to keep the Faenza-based outfit for now, albeit in a new identity. The former Toro Rosso team has been renamed as Visa Cash App RB, its 2024 F1 car, the VCARB 01 sports a colour scheme that is reminiscent of the Toro Rosso liveries between 2017 and 2019. Moreover, the team is set to move closer to Red Bull in every aspect. While the Faenza base continues to serve as its headquarters, its Bicester factory will move to Milton Keynes, the same location as their sister team Red Bull.
Expanding on the close alliance between Red Bull and Visa Cash App RB, new Team Principal Laurent Mekies said: “We’ve had two headquarters for a long time – Faenza and Bicester,” he adds. “The departments in Bicester (where aerodynamics is based, along with some design functions) will move to new facilities in Milton Keynes. Historically, it’s always been a disadvantage to have two headquarters. But we are in 2024, the world has changed massively. The way people interact is also changing. We want to make it work. We want to make our company a location-free company".
With four of the current ten F1 teams involved in close association, F1Technical’s Balázs Szabó takes a look at how F1 restrict the exchange of intellectual property between outfits. FIA’s Technical Regulation for the 2024 F1 Championship includes strict rules governing what teams can build themselves and what they can buy or share with others. The regulation book differentiates four categories: listed team components, transferrable components, standard supply components and open source components .
Listed Team Components (LTC)
Listed Team Components are components whose design, manufacture and Intellectual Property is owned and/or controlled by a single Competitor or its agents on an exclusive basis. It means that teams have to build these parts on their own, and have to be able to present every phase of the design process, showing that the part has been designed in-house.
• Survival cell and primary roll structure
• Front impact structure
• Aerodynamic components (unless otherwise specified)
• Plank assembly
• Wheel drum and drum deflector
• Fuel bladder
• SECU team applications
• Primary heat exchangers
• Fuel tank sensor
Transferrable Components (TRC)
Transferable Components are components whose design, manufacture and Intellectual Property resides within a single Supplying Competitor, or third party, but can be supplied to another Customer Competitor. This group includes all the parts that teams can share with those rival teams that they aim to work with. It can refer to such alliances that Haas and Ferrari or Red Bull and Visa Cash App RB have established, but it can also lead to transfer of parts between engine supplier and customer teams.
• Rear impact structure
• Gearbox carrier
• Gearbox cassette
• Clutch
• Clutch actuation system
• Clutch shaft
• Gearbox internals
• Gearbox auxiliary components (oil system, reverse gear, etc.)
• Inboard front suspension
• Front suspension members
• Front upright assembly (excluding axles, bearings, nuts & retention system)
• Front axles (inboard of the contact surface with the wheel spacer) and bearings
• Inboard rear suspension
• Rear suspension members
• Rear upright assembly (excluding axles, bearings, nuts & retention system)
• Rear axles (inboard of the contact surface with the wheel spacer) and bearings
• Power-assisted steering
• Fuel system components not listed as OSC or SSC or LTC
• Hydraulic pump and accumulator
• Hydraulic manifold sensors and control valves
• Pipes between hydraulic pump, hydraulic manifold & gearbox or engine actuators
• Secondary heat exchanger (in oil and coolant system)
• Power unit mountings to gearbox and survival cell
• Exhaust system beyond turbine and wastegate exits (covered by PU rules)
Standard Supply Components (SSC)
Standard Supply Components are components whose design and manufacture will be carried out by a supplier appointed by the FIA, to be supplied on an identical technical and commercial basis to each competitor. While many racing series, including Formula E or Indicar, use many standard supply components, the DNA of Formula One dictates that teams should remain constructors and build the majority of their cars on their own.
• Wheel covers
• Clutch shaft torque
• Wheel rims
• Tyre pressure sensor (TPMS)
• Tyres
• Fuel system primer pumps, and flexible pipes and hoses
• Power unit energy store current/voltage sensor
• Fuel flow meter
• Power unit pressure and temperature sensors
• High-pressure fuel pump
• Car to team telemetry
• Driver radio
• Accident data recorder (ADR)
• High-speed camera
• In-ear accelerometer
• Biometric gloves
• Marshalling system
• Timing transponders
• TV cameras
• Wheel display panel
• Standard ECU
• Standard ECU FIA applications
• Rear lights
Open Source Components (OSC)
Open Source Components are components whose Design Specification and Intellectual Property is made available to all competitors. For all OSC in use by all competitors, the Design Specification must reside on a designated server specified by the FIA, and be accessible by all teams.
• Front floor structure
• Pedals
• Rear wing adjuster (DRS)
• Driveshaft
• Front axles (outboard of the contact surface with the wheel spacer), nuts & retention system
• Rear axles (outboard of the contact surface with the wheel spacer), nuts and retention system
• Steering column
• Steering wheel and quick release
• Brake disc, disc bell, and pad assembly
• Brake calipers
• Rear brake control system (brake by wire)
• Brake master cylinder
• Fuel system
• Fuel collector
• Fuel system hydraulic layout
• Fire extinguishers
• Water drink system
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‘Friction’ predicted between two competing circuits after new F1 venue is introduced
Eddie Jordan has predicted there will be “friction” between Madrid and Barcelona as the Spanish capital takes on the country’s Grand Prix status from 2026. Barcelona is contracted to remain on the calendar until at least 2026, and Formula 1 have been at pains to point out that the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya can retain its place beyond then, but Madrid’s arrival from that season on a 10-year deal, along with taking on the Spanish Grand Prix name, leaves a big battle to ensure two races are hosted in the nation from 2027. With Barcelona now facing a tough negotiation to stay in the sport, Jordan believes locals will be “very upset” at the city potentially losing out to Madrid.Despite the potential change in city, Jordan believes Madrid will be “perfect” as a host for the Spanish Grand Prix in future, but with Barcelona, Spain is “blessed” to have two such cities capable of hosting a race. “We have for I don’t know how many years, 20 years, 30 years, been to Barcelona to the new track when they went out on a limb after Barcelona had the Olympics,” Jordan explained on the Formula For Success podcast. “If you remember, they built a track, and it has been a really good track and there has been a lot of Spanish drivers as a result of it. And of course, we all know that [Fernando] Alonso is still there. But he comes from [Asturias, sic], which is the North West. I think the people of Catalan, which we already know that there’s big rifts in that country with different political views, and I think that they will be very upset. They’ll be very upset, no different to we’ll say, Melbourne taking the Grand Prix from Adelaide. I think there will be friction, I think it’s not going to go terribly smoothly. But is it the right thing to do? I think if it’s a street circuit in a major city like Madrid, I think it’s perfect. Madrid is a very beautiful city, as indeed is Barcelona, so they’re very blessed. They’ve got two amazing venues there. Motor racing has caught everybody’s eye. Everybody wants a Grand Prix now and the cities, and I’m not talking just about Madrid, we can talk about New York or London or Rome or Vancouver or other major cities that could put on a Grand Prix.”
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Aston Martin Is in Talks to Tackle $1.4 Billion Debt Pile
Aston Martin Lagonda Global Holdings Plc is negotiating with bankers to address a looming debt pile, according to Executive Chairman Lawrence Stroll, with the company’s near-term liabilities amounting to roughly $1.4 billion. The loss-making British luxury car-maker is seeking to refinance at a tumultuous time in debt markets following the surge in interest rates and uncertainty around rate cuts. Talks are set to focus on a $1.1 billion bond that’s maturing in November next year, with 10.5% coupon puts the company on the hook for payments of $120 million annually.“We are currently studying with our bankers the most appropriate actions of how to deal with it,” Stroll said in an interview with Bloomberg Television. “Obviously it will be addressed in the most appropriate manner possible and in the best interests of the company and its shareholders.” The company has a revolving credit facility of £79 million ($99.8 million) that’s due next year and a $121 million note to be repaid in 2026, data compiled by Bloomberg shows.
New Shareholders
The Canadian billionaire in 2020 rescued the manufacturer, whose sports cars have featured in the James Bond movie franchise. The turnaround of the business has seen Aston Martin repeatedly raise money and bring in new shareholders such as Saudi Arabia’s Public Investment Fund, China’s Zhejiang Geely Holding Group Co Ltd. and EV maker Lucid Group Inc. The company warned in November that it expects to ship fewer vehicles than previously forecast for the full year, after supply-chain issues hampered the rollout of its new DB12 sports car. It’s set to report full-year earnings on Feb. 28.
Asked about analyst comments that Aston Martin could be vulnerable to a takeover bid from its new holders, Stroll said the company was “not in any M&A territory.” The textiles tycoon, who made his money investing in fashion labels including Pierre Cardin, Ralph Lauren and Tommy Hilfiger, said he planned to remain at the company for years to come. The turnaround job was only at the start, he said, a push he previously admitted was more challenging than expected. “Lawrence intends to be here for many, many years,” Stroll said.
New CEO
Last week, Bloomberg News reported that Aston Martin was sounding out potential candidates to become its fourth chief executive officer in as many years. The current chief, former Ferrari NV boss Amedeo Felisa, 77, has been in the role for less than two years. Stroll declined to comment on the report. The Gaydon, England-based company earlier Monday revealed its new Vantage sports car, part of his effort to launch new models more frequently than the company has done in the past. Stroll is also hoping to capitalize on the growing interest in Formula One, having returned to the competition in 2021. Late last year, he sold off a minority stake in the team that’s separate from the listed company to US private equity firm Arctos Partners at a valuation of around £1 billion.
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Christian Horner 'told to resign' from Red Bull role by ex-F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone
Bernie Ecclestone has advised Christian Horner to step down as Red Bull Racing's chief executive and team principal after an allegation of inappropriate behaviour was made against him, it's been claimed. Horner has strongly denied the claim against him. He is currently being investigated by Red Bull's parent company and met with an external investigator on Friday to tell his side of the story. It is understood the matter is unlikely to be resolved before Red Bull Racing's season launch on February 15.However, former F1 chief Ecclestone is said to have urged Horner to quit. According to F1 Insider, the 91-year-old has 'intervened and advised his friend to resign' in a bid to 'avoid further damage to himself and his family'. Both Horner and his accuser are continuing to work in their respective roles and no matter what the outcome of the investigation, it will be a significant distraction for Red Bull heading into the 2024 season.
They have been the dominant team in recent years, with Max Verstappen winning three consecutive world titles, and remain the heavy favourites heading into the new campaign despite the uncertainty surrounding Horner's future. Chief technical officer Adrian Newey, meanwhile, is confident their new RB20 car will bring yet more success this year. "Our car will be very much a third evolution of the '22 car," he told the Talking Bull podcast. "Last year's car was an evolution of the '22, the main points [of difference] being the normal winter development in terms of aerodynamics and some understanding on what we needed to do with suspension to try to improve the car as well, and getting weight out of it – because we never got down to the weight limit in '22. This year's car is the third evolution of that original RB18. Now what we don't know, of course, is the third evolution too conservative while others have done something different? You just don't know. There is that [dilemma] of: should we have a group that goes out and looks at completely left-field ideas, or do we keep developing the route we've taken? We're resource limited, so we can't do everything. We can't look at every avenue, so we've taken the approach of developing what we've got. Hopefully that'll be the prudent thing."
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yikes!
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Bernie Ecclestone blasts Christian Horner claims as Red Bull investigation still ongoing
Bernie Ecclestone has lashed out at claims he told Christian Horner to step down from his position as Red Bull boss. The team principal's future hangs in the balance due to an ongoing investigation into allegations of inappropriate behaviour, which Horner himself denies.Horner reportedly faced eight hours of questioning from an independent lawyer hired by Red Bull last Friday. The meeting is believed to have taken place at an undisclosed location away from the team's Milton Keynes factory. While the findings have now been passed on to Red Bull, Horner is yet to receive clarity on his future after the company's Austrian headquarters pledged to take the accusations 'extremely seriously'. With the RB20 unveiling now only a day away, and the first Grand Prix of the season scheduled in less than three weeks, it was recently reported that Ecclestone had 'advised Horner to step down'
Ecclestone and Horner go way back, with the former recommending the latter to Red Bull founder Dietrich Mateschitz when he was looking for a team principal to spearhead his new F1 outfit in 2005. And now, Ecclestone has made it crystal clear where he stands on Horner's future with the following post on his Instagram story: "To clarify reports by newspapers that I had urged or suggested Christian Horner should step down from his position at Red Bull - they are entirely UNTRUE."
Horner was the best man at Ecclestone's third wedding, and the Red Bull boss returned the gesture when married former Spice Girl Geri Halliwell in 2015. Red Bull insiders reportedly believe the saga could drag on for weeks while Horner continues in the team principal role he has held for almost two decades. The 50-year-old has overseen a period of huge success, masterminding four world titles for Sebastian Vettel and three more for Max Verstappen.
They will once again be red-hot favourites to clinch the top prizes in 2024 after dominating last season. Between them, Verstappen and Red Bull team-mate Sergio Perez won 21 out of 22 available Grands Prix. The likes of Mercedes, McLaren and Ferrari will be in hot pursuit when this year's action gets underway in Bahrain early next month.
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Have Mercedes listened to Lewis Hamilton on the key cockpit question on W15?
Mercedes put the new W15 on the track at Silverstone on Wednesday and while the drivers have yet to share their thoughts, it does appear as if the 2024 car has resolved one of Lewis Hamilton’s biggest gripes. Early last season the seven-time World Champion called out Mercedes’ design team when it came to the positioning of his seat in the W14. “I don’t know if people know,” he told media at the Australian GP. “We sit closer to the front wheels than all the other drivers. Our cockpit is too close to the front." He continued: “When you’re driving, you feel like you’re sitting on the front wheels which is one of the worst feelings to feel when you’re driving a car. If you were driving your car at home, and you put the wheels right underneath your legs, you would not be happy when you’re approaching the roundabout! So, what that does is it just really changes the attitude of the car and how you perceive its movement. And it makes it harder to predict, compared to when you’re further back and you’re sitting closer, more centre.”But while team boss Toto Wolff acknowledged at the time that it was “one of the most important things” Mercedes needed to focus on, he admitted it was something that could only be resolved with the next edition of the car. “You can vary the cockpit position between, say, five and 15 centimetres” during the year he stated, before going on to talk about “weight distribution, aerodynamics and so on”. But now that next edition, the W15, has hit the track and the big question – along with a long list of other big questions – is has the new car resolved Hamilton.
Mercedes have yet to weigh in on the drivers’ seating position but tech boss James Allison, the man in charge of the W15, has spoken about designing an all-new chassis for this season. “When we talk about a layout change,” he said, “you’re generally talking about where the engine sits in the chassis, what geometry of rear suspension you’re going to have on the gearbox and what changes you are going to make to the part that contains the driver. Those are all three things that are hypothetically doable in the middle of a year but come at such huge opportunity cost that you would never contemplate it. But nevertheless, you need to commit to them in the preceding summer. The off-season is about proving to yourself on your internal rigs and simulators that those pieces are what you hope they might be; that it looks like it will deliver on your hopes.”
[I think this is the main reason Lewis is leaving Mercedes, he commented a lot in the last two seasons that he had ideas about the car but no one seemed to listening to him, as suce a good driver and 6 times world champion you'd expect engineers to take on board what he had to say.]
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F1 testing 2024: Pre-season
Since 2023, Sakhir is the only location used for F1 pre-season testing after F1 officials decided to move away from the Circuit de Barcelona-Catalunya and use the Bahrain International Circuit. Recently, it has been used as a testing venue due to almost certain dry conditions and warmer weather in the winter, which is more representative than the conditions in Barcelona. There will be three days of testing before the actual race in March, with eight hours of running on each day from February 21-23. A four-hour session will take place on the morning of the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of the aforementioned dates from 07:00 to 11:00 UK time, with another four-hour session in the afternoon from 12:00 to 16:00 UK time.[It should be noted that F2 were testing there a few days ago and it pissed down, so maybe F1 will also get some wet weather testing]
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did the listen to Hamilton the answer would be no as below
the moment Lewis said fuck this and took the contract at Maranello
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Pre-season testing. Bahrain.
Just a heads-up. The three testing sessions are this week:
Wed 21st Feb - 07:00 GMT / UTC
Thurs 22nd Feb - 07:00.
Fri 23rd Feb - 07:00.
In the UK, all three sessions are on Sky Sports (but inventive minds with creative keyboard skills can no doubt... etc, etc.)
Fingers crossed Adrian Newey has an off-year, eh?
Just a heads-up. The three testing sessions are this week:
Wed 21st Feb - 07:00 GMT / UTC
Thurs 22nd Feb - 07:00.
Fri 23rd Feb - 07:00.
In the UK, all three sessions are on Sky Sports (but inventive minds with creative keyboard skills can no doubt... etc, etc.)
Fingers crossed Adrian Newey has an off-year, eh?
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I feel I had to post this news so Limejuice could keep up with all the celebrity gossip
Mel B and Victoria Beckham appear to have unfollowed their former Spice Girls pal Geri Horner on Instagram, after her husband Christian Horner was accused of "inappropriate behaviour" and is being investigated by the Formula 1 racing team. It is understood the allegation has been made by another member of Red Bull staff. Christian, 50, is vehemently denying the allegations.
Whilst it's been reported that Geri, 51, has been leaning on her former Spice Girls bandmates for support amid the allegations, Victoria Beckham, 49, and Melanie Brown, aka Mel B, 48, are no longer following Geri on Instagram. Emma Bunton, 48, and Melanie Chisholm, aka Mel C, 50, however, are still following her on the social media platform.
Mel B and Victoria Beckham appear to have unfollowed their former Spice Girls pal Geri Horner on Instagram, after her husband Christian Horner was accused of "inappropriate behaviour" and is being investigated by the Formula 1 racing team. It is understood the allegation has been made by another member of Red Bull staff. Christian, 50, is vehemently denying the allegations.
Whilst it's been reported that Geri, 51, has been leaning on her former Spice Girls bandmates for support amid the allegations, Victoria Beckham, 49, and Melanie Brown, aka Mel B, 48, are no longer following Geri on Instagram. Emma Bunton, 48, and Melanie Chisholm, aka Mel C, 50, however, are still following her on the social media platform.
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Driver line-up confirmed for sole pre-season F1 test
| Team | Wednesday (am) | Wednesday (pm) | Thursday (am) | Thursday (pm) | Friday (am) | Friday (pm) |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Red Bull | Max Verstappen | Sergio Perez | Max Verstappen | Sergio Perez | ||
| Mercedes | George Russell | Lewis Hamilton | Lewis Hamilton | George Russell | ||
| Ferrari | Charles Leclerc | Carlos Sainz Jnr | TBC | TBC | TBC | TBC |
| McLaren | Oscar Piastri | Lando Norris | Oscar Piastri | Lando Norris | Lando Norris | Oscar Piastri |
| Aston Martin | Fernando Alonso | Lance Stroll | Fernando Alonso | Lance Stroll | Lance Stroll | Fernando Alonso |
| Alpine | Esteban Ocon | Pierre Gasly | Pierre Gasly | Esteban Ocon | Esteban Ocon | Pierre Gasly |
| Williams | Alexander Albon | Logan Sargeant | Logan Sargeant | Alexander Albon | ||
| RB | Yuki Tsunoda | Daniel Ricciardo | Yuki Tsunoda | Daniel Ricciardo | Daniel Ricciardo | Yuki Tsunoda |
| Sauber | Valtteri Bottas | Zhou Guanyu | Zhou Guanyu | Valtteri Bottas | Valtteri Bottas | Zhou Guanyu |
| Haas | Kevin Magnussen | Nico Hulkenberg | Nico Hulkenberg | Kevin Magnussen | Kevin Magnussen | Nico Hulkenberg |
