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The Met a bit defensive on Twitter:



"I want to be absolutely clear. This does not mean people are banned from protesting in London. Unless they are protesting about things we've decided are banned."

But as I said above I don't know how much difference this will make practically to a movement which has a core concept of knowingly and deliberately breaking the law. It will probably cut down on the number of people attending who aren't willing to get arrested, but that just means smaller protests in terms of turnout - it's not going to make a difference to the people who were always prepared for that anyway.
 
I'm fairly normie by the standards of hippie xr but black casual gear I got followed within minutes of rocking up looking for faces ACAB
 
IC3D said:
I dropped by after work Gramsci and snapped this man did you have DSLR kit I was prob next to you
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No I don't. I had my Lycra cycling gear on so pretty distinctive.

Sorry to had missed you. Seems I've been at same demos as several posters but didn't know at time.


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I did find today XR weren't so chatty as previously, Understandable given the plods actions yesterday.

I did get the who are you look this morning and asked why I was asking questions and felt it a bit tonight as well.

Ended up with a decent chat this evening in the end.

Sad really but guess XR are going to be a bit more cagey about talking to people.

The cops ensure this happens.

They don't want XR to be popular.
 
I'm not that on board but Sat I went down with food and kids it was more chilled. They running ops on anon msg apps. I didnt pressure but people I talked to said it was pretty chaotic on these channels and I don't have the time rbh
 
FridgeMagnet said:
The Met a bit defensive on Twitter:



"I want to be absolutely clear. This does not mean people are banned from protesting in London. Unless they are protesting about things we've decided are banned."

But as I said above I don't know how much difference this will make practically to a movement which has a core concept of knowingly and deliberately breaking the law. It will probably cut down on the number of people attending who aren't willing to get arrested, but that just means smaller protests in terms of turnout - it's not going to make a difference to the people who were always prepared for that anyway.
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I had a look at the Mets "events" Twitter - MET have so many Twitter accounts - and I don't think Met are being defensive. I watched couple of the videos on Twitter of police commanders speaking. (I won't link any up here as its in bad taste to do so imo.) There are a lot of videos on Mets Events Twitter feed. Which is clearly a PR feed for public and junior officers to keep their morale up.
Its the same performances I've seen from police commanders at local community meetings. I reckon they get training to do this.

The argument for section 14 is put in a way that the Met are doing this reluctantly. Spoken in a way that this is straight talking commonsense.

The phrase "we are always willing for people to come to us to discuss xyz (in this case protest)is phrase I've heard more than once. Its said in this ever so slightly intimidating way.

So no I don't think the Met are being defensive.

They think they are right.

The argument is going to be that this was proportionate. That they are always willing to be approached about lawful protest. And that this use of Section 14 is not unusual ( there is a video about that).

So if wet liberal human rights lawyers want to take the decision they made to court the Met I'm sure will be eager to defend themselves.

( from other news reports I've read the Met didn't inform Mayor of this use of Section 14. The videos make me feel they think they are entitled to judge protests without refering to elected politicians until after the fact. )

There is one video I watched where the police commander went on about what a great happy family the police are. How this protest stretched them but they all pulled together and supported each other to police this protest.

Police are like an army they are disciplined trained group of people with internal camaraderie and loyalty.

I think they will justify their actions to themselves individually and as a group. They will defend them.

Useful to have a look at this Twitter account to see how their minds work.

Be good lesson for XR to do it to see "sending love to police" is pointless.
 
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Speaking to an XR (or a "stinky reb" in my parlance - still waiting for that to catch on) at the pub last night who was with the protests all of last week. He didn’t know about the pain compliance thing (or about the London-wide ban, but that’s a lot more recent tbf).

Makes me ponder about the strategy re: their branding and internal messaging, as well as their training re: what to expect police tactics-wise.

Then again, he thinks seriously cutting back on meat isn’t an environmental priority for those who want to help a little with their personal decisions, and also that photons have mass*, so while I have heaps of respect for his stance on actually doing something, I’m being tentative with my conclusions based on that conversation.

* - ok, perhaps not directly relevant to the topic
 
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Various reports of cops on Lambeth bridge demanding to see ID before they let people cross - yesterday and apparently continuing this morning. Have seen no info as to what power they claim to be using for this.

I did actually see a load on the pavement there yesterday on the whitehall end but had no reason to cross so didn't - I just wondered what they were all doing standing there.
 
FridgeMagnet said:
Various reports of cops on Lambeth bridge demanding to see ID before they let people cross - yesterday and apparently continuing this morning. Have seen no info as to what power they claim to be using for this.

I did actually see a load on the pavement there yesterday on the whitehall end but had no reason to cross so didn't - I just wondered what they were all doing standing there.
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They did ask me why I was taking photos of the boat.

"Are you in XR"

My reply was "does it matter?"

One of them stood beside me whilst I took photos. One of the other three radioed in to say someone had stopped on the bridge with their bicycle.
 
Notwithsanding that the police are there to protect money and property first and people second, the disruption of the finacial sector by XR was a game-changer but prior to this Johoinson tacitly gave them the nod with his dissmissive language regarding them.
 
They seem very keen on the "not letting people move around on arbitrary grounds without stating what power is being used" thing at the moment.



St Johns is where the Red Rebel Brigade are staying incidentally - yesterday they were apparently allowed to continue - Red Rebels walking tall at St John’s

I'm sure this will all get legally challenged and some months down the line may even be ruled unlawful but I have a feeling it won't stop them.
 
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