Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
yeh. but the plain and compliance thing last week should have been something of a wake-up call for them.
Extinction Rebellion
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Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
fatal error
8ball
Decolonise colons!
I think there need to be a few more of those before it sinks in.
A handful of cases is easily written off as 'bad apples', and some of them are probably still sufficiently indoctrinated to defend what they police are doing.
On the whole, the police still seem badly hampered by the fact that they are not used to dealing with people with much social capital, and XR have observers, lawyers, some financial clout behind them* etc.
* - though that of course brings its own demons with it
8ball
Decolonise colons!
Ok, I've been a little sceptical, so many false dawns and that, but at last I see XR have come out and openly stated that they "avoid blang and sming".
Where do I join up?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Er...interesting choice of words on the middle one.
We actively mitigate for Power.
Hmmm.
We actively mitigate for Power.
Hmmm.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Yeah, that caught my eye too.
Does anyone have any idea what that's supposed to mean?
They look like a cross between the aristocrats out of The Hunger Games and Eyes Wide Shut.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
not-bono-ever
meh
Looks like most places have taken down their flags to avoid hassle ( as if )
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
XR will still be going on Saturday, there will also be a gazillion-man-march for anti-brexit. Busy day in town...
Athos
Well-Known Member
I presume it's something along the lines of taking proactive measures to ensure the voices of the less powerful within the organisation are heard. Decent sentiment, but shit phraseology, and implementation could easily descend into identity nonsense.
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
Did you try any of the free vegetarian meals off the guy with the orange bike stall?
FridgeMagnet
Administrator
I have not done so (I reckon as a non participant it is a bit much to deplete their resources) but tbh the food always looks much like what I cook myself - big vats of chickpea curry with rice and lentils and so on.
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
good photos
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
The Hari Krishna lot have been feeding the protestors for free at several sites I've been at.
I one of them on the cargo bike they use bringing another load of food to Bank.
They deserve credit for supporting the demos.
From today at Bank:
Gramsci
Well-Known Member
I had a few chats with XR today at Bank.
Bank btw is the old centre of the City of London. Where Bank of England is and the old Stock Exchange. So its of symbolic importance as a centre of capitalism.
The people I talked to had come from many parts of the country. Cornwall, Bath, Leicester.
They had come for a day or two. The protests are kept going by the large number of XR supporters in this country. People come for a day or few days and are then replaced by others.
Keeps numbers up. Also means that the support to keep this going despite arrests is large. This isn't just a few people sticking it out for the whole two weeks.
What appeals to person I had long chat with is that if you agree to the basic principles the local group's can decide on their own actions. That in her words their are no leaders. Any individual can make suggestions. In her view its not a top down movement.
She came down with daughters. It was their concern for environment that got her interested. So XR message appeals to teenagers. ( Not a criticism btw.)
Also from what she said there isn't pressure to be full time activist. I also heard this from the older couple of people I talked to.
You take part in and do what you feel up to. No pressure to be an "arrestable". As one of them said we also have work and other commitments. They definitely didn't want to. get into a situation where they could be arrested. XR are fine on that.
In fact when I said the police had been heavy handed this time at various times they looked worried.
The lady from Leicester I had longer chat with came across as your average person concerned about this very important issue. XR has given her and her daughter's a way to express their concern.
I didn't get into a long discussion of my reading of Hallam.
Felt as they were there doing the protest id like to hear the views of a XR squaddie not one of the Generals. So to speak.
And they are a decent open minded bunch from what I've seen over last week.
This does not mean that some of XR leaders pronouncements can't be criticised such as the stuff about mediating power. Which a couple of posters here asked about after seeing my photo.
Thinking of my least favourite XR Hallam after today will give him his due on something he said a while back. That confrontational violent protest excluded sectors of the community. Old people , women were less likely to join in.
The emphasis on non violence as a tactic has also meant that people who might be wary of protest take part. Like the mother and daughters I talked to.
So on that Hallam has a point.
Anyway these are my thoughts on today.
Bank btw is the old centre of the City of London. Where Bank of England is and the old Stock Exchange. So its of symbolic importance as a centre of capitalism.
The people I talked to had come from many parts of the country. Cornwall, Bath, Leicester.
They had come for a day or two. The protests are kept going by the large number of XR supporters in this country. People come for a day or few days and are then replaced by others.
Keeps numbers up. Also means that the support to keep this going despite arrests is large. This isn't just a few people sticking it out for the whole two weeks.
What appeals to person I had long chat with is that if you agree to the basic principles the local group's can decide on their own actions. That in her words their are no leaders. Any individual can make suggestions. In her view its not a top down movement.
She came down with daughters. It was their concern for environment that got her interested. So XR message appeals to teenagers. ( Not a criticism btw.)
Also from what she said there isn't pressure to be full time activist. I also heard this from the older couple of people I talked to.
You take part in and do what you feel up to. No pressure to be an "arrestable". As one of them said we also have work and other commitments. They definitely didn't want to. get into a situation where they could be arrested. XR are fine on that.
In fact when I said the police had been heavy handed this time at various times they looked worried.
The lady from Leicester I had longer chat with came across as your average person concerned about this very important issue. XR has given her and her daughter's a way to express their concern.
I didn't get into a long discussion of my reading of Hallam.
Felt as they were there doing the protest id like to hear the views of a XR squaddie not one of the Generals. So to speak.
And they are a decent open minded bunch from what I've seen over last week.
This does not mean that some of XR leaders pronouncements can't be criticised such as the stuff about mediating power. Which a couple of posters here asked about after seeing my photo.
Thinking of my least favourite XR Hallam after today will give him his due on something he said a while back. That confrontational violent protest excluded sectors of the community. Old people , women were less likely to join in.
The emphasis on non violence as a tactic has also meant that people who might be wary of protest take part. Like the mother and daughters I talked to.
So on that Hallam has a point.
Anyway these are my thoughts on today.
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FridgeMagnet
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Met have now completely removed all "allowed" protest areas:
Not sure this will make any actual difference as nobody was paying attention to that anyway.
Not sure this will make any actual difference as nobody was paying attention to that anyway.
