TopCat
Putin fanboy
Someone there referred to him as that. Was he on the Anonymous demo with a Trump flag?
Extinction Rebellion
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FridgeMagnet
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Probably. He turns up at a lot of places. On marches he has a big Trump flag, but he usually has a red hat on regardless.
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Fair enough. I expect other people just thought it was a random ding dong?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
What kind of organisation could seize power?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
So... I don't think ER are really doing direct action at all. They're just getting themselves arrested in the hope of generating sympathy among the ruling class. Instead of creating pressure around demands they seem to be sacrificing themselves in the hope that the powers above will listen.
It's completely unsustainable and well as daft.
It's completely unsustainable and well as daft.
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
A legitimate political party which persuaded enough people to vote for it so that it could form a government.
Other than that, no bunch of fantasists waving flags or popping off bombs, thank fuck.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Not sure you've grasped the core of the concept 'seize power'
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
Yeah, but there's not going to be any non-democratic (lol, spellcheck wanted 'non-denominational) transfer of power in UK.
And if there is, or an attempt at one, I'll be on the other side of the barricades.
Just because we despise the contemptible toxic bastards who legitimately govern us, we don't get any moral right to force an improvement by violence.
Of course it all seems different when you're 17 or so.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
You don't get power by being elected to govt. And I'm older than 17 although still young for an Urb. Pickers is ancient I believe.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Also, I didn't say anything about violence.
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
Hmm, well, you certainly get authority by being elected to Government.
Power is something taken; authority is something given.
Power is illegitimate. The two terms are often used interchangeably like "risk" and "hazard", and much of the time it doesn't matter.
Anyone "seizing power", strictly speaking, is being really rather naughty.
How would anyone "seize power " without a form of violence?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
It is? Oh NO.
What are we going to do about the fact that the ruling class has all the power then? Given that it's illegitimate.
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Who is going to support all the arrestees is what I'm concerned about. Probably they'll all have their charges dropped (besides that one idiot who decided to graffiti a government building with an entire police evidence gathering team watching) but if they don't they'll need court support etc. I doubt that an organisation that was pulled out of some hippie's arse three weeks ago has the resources to do that.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
If there is an attempt to seize power then, you say you'll be on its side being as a seizure of power from below unthinkable if unarmed while one 'from above', from disgruntled elements of the ruling class and armed forces much more likely, albeit still currently improbable
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Hang on a minute
But you're right, there is a swell of opinion in favour of the guillotine
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
A question that should have occurred to you some time back
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
By government building do you mean the women of WW2 memorial?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
No the department of energy.
Why, was it these clowns who defaced the memorial too?
That’s an interesting pov. And true.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Well speaking to a good mate (who was nicked on a bridge last week) they just collected their details and dropped them off in deepest North London.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Someone sprayed 'mother' on it and I saw the defrocked priest looking sheepish nearby
DotCommunist
So many particulars. So many questions.
the monarchy you swore an oath to defend- who gave them their authority? Was there a big meeting with a show of hands.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
This may or may not be in process
I spent last night waiting in Bromley police station (with others) to meet 4 people who'd been arrested (not for the graff on the way memorial) . The arrestees were all well resourced (£ and friends) and it hasn't been traumatic arrests. Their details are passed on to *someone* . Remains to be seen if the *someones* follow up
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
They use violence against us but we can't use violence to stop them from doing so? Horseshit.
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
Depends who is doing the violence.
I've no problem with battering a copper who's overdoing it.
Who, exactly, are you categorising as ripe for a kicking/stabbing/bombing/shooting? How do you decide who receives the violence? By whose right?
How lucky we are in Britain ñever to have done such a thing.
