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We all long to hear that London Bridge is down
Extinction Rebellion
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eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
I'd be surprised if Extinction Rebellion had anything to do with it, unless they have been engaged in some seriously deep infiltration of the London Taxi Drivers Association.
Cheesepig3
Cheese. Cheese. Cats.
Nope.
I'm quite happy to intervene in a violent incident in which someone is perpetrating a misuse of authority (or power).
I don't like collective blame of groups (the rich, Eton old boys, union members, blacks, middle class white guys) and advocacy of violence against them.
I'm sure that now I have explained, you will agree with me.
not-bono-ever
meh
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Starry Wisdom
Their entire mo is based round criminalisation of their movement
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
I agree. I am really invested in the urgent necessity to address climate change and I've drifted in and out of climate change protest since the early '90's(Like many on here) but I'm not finding the substance with XR (yet?)
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
Aside from any general criticism of accountable nonviolent direct action, the way Roger Hallam presents what Extinction Rebellion is up to in the Guardian video (posted up thread) seems really misguided. People pledging their willingness to face the consequences of committing acts of civil disobedience is one thing, but turning around to the coppers and publicly suggesting that they get buses and make mass arrests, so you can win, just seems delusional. It's like calling the local sheriff's office from an Alabama lunch counter to remind them to bring the Alsatians.
Rob Ray
Weight is meaningless
I know, but this is a step towards criminalising even those people involved who can't afford prison time. Anyhow various folks have made sure it's flagged with ER and suggested they talk to a lawyer.
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Starry Wisdom
Interesting idea
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mojo pixy
...שלא נמצא בשמאל
The Age of Social Media being what it is, some twats will prioritise grandstanding over effectiveness or outcome. But this sort of civil disobedience has been slowly normalising for decades now, to a point where it's becoming something to actually aspire to. It fits perfectly with in a time when everything is documented live and commented on before it's even finished.
Though I have no doubt that sooner or later will come new legislation to counter these cellular techniques; ways of criminalising smaller gatherings on less evidence would be my guess. Possibly also attempts at criminalisation of closed message groups, it may be unenforceable but that's never stopped a government before.
Though I have no doubt that sooner or later will come new legislation to counter these cellular techniques; ways of criminalising smaller gatherings on less evidence would be my guess. Possibly also attempts at criminalisation of closed message groups, it may be unenforceable but that's never stopped a government before.
I think the idea is to build up numbers and then start taking NVDA in situations like this.
Even if they weren’t Royal they’d still have power due to their enormous wealth and the amount of land they own.
Do you think they’re just pantomime figures or something?
ferrelhadley
There is no love between us anymore.
So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.
So very Urban 75,
And now for something completely different.
The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s
Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890
The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)
Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]
These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.
4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.
So very Urban 75,
And now for something completely different.
The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s
Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890
The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)
Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]
These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.
4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
What's it look like when you factor in flights from / to UK airports?So the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.
So very Urban 75,
And now for something completely different.
The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s
Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890
The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)
Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]
These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.
4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them.
And I know a few climate change activists who enjoy their down time a few thousand miles away and don’t get there by boat.
I’m surprised that hydrogen isn’t being leapt on as an alternative vehicle fuel.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Last seen in the 1890s except in the 1920sSo the thread about climate change has managed about 26 posts this year. That is just over 2 a month.
Climate Change
The thread largely criticising a group protesting about climate change has managed about 330 posts in a month.
So very Urban 75,
And now for something completely different.
The UKs CO2 emissions have already dropped to levels last seen in the 1890s
Britain's CO2 Emissions Have Fallen to Levels Last Seen in 1890
The UK is on the road to the phase out of coal (the Radcliff, Drax and Kingsnorth Climate Camps were anti coal generation)
Lazards review of the levalized costs of electricity generating showed that renewables are becoming cost competitive with thermal fossil fuel plants (and exceeding them) [for the US but the global trend in similar]
These protests are pushing at a door that is already opening. People want clean air for their cities, cheap energy for their homes and a stable climate for their children. Low carbon energy sources, public transport over cars and improving housing insulation are all easy policy wins to achieve the former. Extinction Rebellion are off their arses and doing something. That makes them alright in my book. What they are doing is one tiny part of a huge global effort to attack an enormous problem from multiple angles.
4th warmest year ever measured and a mild el Nino brewing.
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them.
eoin_k
Lawyer's fees, beetroot and music
As with electric vehicles, you still need an energy source to produce the hydrogen, so it's no panacea for climate change.
Wookey
Muppet is not a slur
If sitting your arse in a road helps in the tiniest bit to bring the inevitable switch to a low carbon economy quicker, fair fucks to them.
I'm with you, these people are natural allies of mine. I am on their side. I do fear though that their response is disproportionate to the problem they seek to solve, and until we see more people willing to go to prison for 30 years for climate activism, rather than just risking mere arrest, and taking the fight into targeted transport and power infrastructure sabotage, and properly-funded cyber attacks on the top C02 polluters, and other more sustained undermining of the oil economy, the state is going to successfully minimise them, brush them off as the ship sinks.
