SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
His lawyers did not ask for bail.
Extinction Rebellion
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His lawyers did not ask for bail.
Pretty sure he is an anti capitalist. I'm no massive fan of Hallam's but I don't really get the pile on.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
I bear this bloke no ill will I just want nothing to do with him or his organisation.
Everyone thinks the police are OK until they see for themselves that they're not. No amount of hearing about it second hand will drive the point home, not when the idea of police as trustworthy public servants is so pervasive.
i'm not sure about this. Capitalism may be incompatible with carbon free production techniques. But maybe not, maybe it can adjust. The evidence of history suggests it can, but not that it will. However, i assume that you are suggesting that Roger Wide-eye isn't anti-capitalist? Who knows? the likeliehood is he's on a journey pointing in an anti capitalist direction - like most of us. i'm optimistic for him.
Miss-Shelf
I'll meet you further on up the road
There are plenty of people in XR on the ground who dont' hold this view of the police [unfortunately plenty who do as well ]
This is interesting. i assume that is the hippie's decision? rather than his brief explaining that he has little chance of being bailed in any event?
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Depending on what they've charged him with he would normally be given conditional bail. The only times I've known eco protestors to be remanded is when they've had form for violent offences.
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Yes, yes it would. However some people will do this on purpose just to get their original bail conditions challenged in court.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Surely quite a bit of engaging in struggle with people from outside the political scene is highly likely to involve working with people who have a positive perspective on the police? Saying you won't work with anyone that has that limits your political opportunity for alliances and organizing quite a lot?
I mean whatever you want to do go ahead, but we'd be a bit fucked as a movement if everyone had that position.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Tbh if someone is so foolish as to engage the police and tell them of a plan, a conspiracy if you will, to disrupt an airport with drones then it is no great surprise if they are arrested and charged. You don't need to study for a PhD in protest studies to realise that he has been at best ill advised.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
Oh do give over
SpookyFrank
A cheap source of teeth for aquarium gravel
Have whatever views you like about coppers, it's behaviour I'm worried about. XR's behaviour is barely a gnat's bollock away from selling their own people out to the state.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
I agree that the whole getting numbers arrested = social change is obviously a totally stupid idea based on a really weird and liberal reading of a selective number of other struggles that seems to have formed his PhD (I'm hoping he got a F with plenty of red scribble over it.)
But from what I've seen XR are clear that you don't have to be arrested to be involved, that non-arrestable roles are essential and important as well, and that they make things clear as to what to expect with them explaining how they talk to the police and tell them the plans.
Criticism of them is important, but making it factual rather than emotional and reactionary is too, so unless there's some other stuff going on I don't think their position is dishonest or selling anyone out? Happy for correction though if there are examples of that.
But from what I've seen XR are clear that you don't have to be arrested to be involved, that non-arrestable roles are essential and important as well, and that they make things clear as to what to expect with them explaining how they talk to the police and tell them the plans.
Criticism of them is important, but making it factual rather than emotional and reactionary is too, so unless there's some other stuff going on I don't think their position is dishonest or selling anyone out? Happy for correction though if there are examples of that.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
He is a bit odd, has social skills issues etc but die? Why do you want him to die. Please explain, precisely if you will.
Pickers, that's a very impressive and entirely supportable answer to a question not posed.
Surely a good argument for bringing Middle England into contact with them?
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
My concern is among all the Hallam hate and other criticisms of XR based on rumour, shit things they did and now have realized, and things someone once posted on Twitter under their name, the more serious and important political criticisms either get missed totally, or they get lumped in by XR folks as being the same personal griping they've been hearing loads of and so get easily dismissed rather than listened to.
nyxx
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Explaining in this forum would not be fair on certain individuals who I’m in contact with.
LDC
On est tous des pangolins
Wow, sorry, I guess he's actually raped, killed, tortured, or done some really horrendous things to someone?
Otherwise saying he should die slowly would be just macho posturing or a throw away jibe you now feel duty bound to weirdly defend rather then back down from.
TopCat
Putin fanboy
Why wish him dead here then?
Roger Haram.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
It's a long 'no' to the question you posed. And I'm not Pickers
nyxx
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I hope he gets what he wants and then some. Rotting away in jail sure. I can’t say more in this forum in this day and age.
And no I don’t need to answer to you Topcat nor anyone else for that matter - it’s an open forum, these are my feelings on the matter, it’s not based on hearsay it’s based on experience of a closer sort and fuck anyone who thinks I need to go into more detail than that.
The man’s a fucking arsehole & his defenders are pathetic / misguided sheep.
And no I don’t need to answer to you Topcat nor anyone else for that matter - it’s an open forum, these are my feelings on the matter, it’s not based on hearsay it’s based on experience of a closer sort and fuck anyone who thinks I need to go into more detail than that.
The man’s a fucking arsehole & his defenders are pathetic / misguided sheep.
